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Diego Chavez

UCC-1 lien shows up differently on credit report than expected - normal?

Got a question about how UCC-1 lien filings appear on business credit reports. We had equipment financing approved last month and the lender filed their UCC-1 about 3 weeks ago. When I pulled our business credit report yesterday, the lien description doesn't match exactly what I expected to see. The filing shows 'all equipment now owned or hereafter acquired' but our loan agreement was specifically for one piece of machinery worth about $185k. Is this normal practice for lenders to use broader collateral language in the UCC-1 lien even when the actual loan is for specific equipment? I'm worried this might affect our ability to get additional financing since it looks like they have a blanket lien on everything we own. The filing number is correct and matches what the lender gave us, but the collateral description seems way too broad. Has anyone else seen this kind of discrepancy between loan docs and the actual UCC-1 lien filing?

NeonNebula

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This is actually pretty standard practice in equipment financing. Lenders typically use broader collateral descriptions in UCC-1 filings to protect their interests. Even though your loan agreement specifies one piece of equipment, they're allowed to file with general language like 'all equipment.' It gives them more security without having to amend the filing every time you acquire new equipment. The key thing is that your loan agreement still governs what they can actually claim - the UCC-1 is just their public notice of the lien.

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Wait really? That seems misleading to other creditors though. How are they supposed to know what's actually encumbered?

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NeonNebula

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That's why due diligence exists. Serious lenders will always request copies of the actual loan agreements and UCC searches before extending credit. The filing is just the starting point for their investigation.

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Sean Kelly

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Had the exact same thing happen with our SBA loan last year. Loan was for $75k in manufacturing equipment but the UCC-1 lien they filed covered 'all inventory, equipment, and accounts receivable.' Freaked me out at first but our attorney explained it's totally normal. The broad language protects the lender but your loan agreement is what actually defines their rights.

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Diego Chavez

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Thanks that's reassuring. Did it cause any issues when you tried to get additional financing?

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Sean Kelly

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Not really. We got a working capital line about 6 months later. The new lender just requested copies of our existing loan docs to see what was actually pledged. Took an extra week in underwriting but wasn't a deal killer.

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Zara Mirza

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This is why I always review UCC filings before they go in. Had a client once where the lender filed with language that was way broader than what was actually in the security agreement. Caused problems later when they tried to refinance.

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Luca Russo

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Actually just went through something similar and found this tool called Certana.ai that helped me verify our UCC documents. You can upload your loan agreement and the UCC-1 filing as PDFs and it automatically checks for inconsistencies between the documents. Really useful for catching discrepancies before they become problems. In my case, it flagged that our debtor name on the UCC-1 was slightly different from our legal entity name on the loan docs.

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Nia Harris

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Interesting, never heard of that service. How accurate is the automated checking?

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Luca Russo

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Pretty thorough from what I've seen. It caught several minor issues our legal team missed during their manual review. The name matching feature is especially helpful since even small variations can cause problems later.

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GalaxyGazer

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This is making me paranoid about our filings. We have three different equipment loans and I have no idea if the UCC-1 liens match up with what's actually pledged. How do you even check this stuff without spending a fortune on legal fees?

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NeonNebula

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Start by pulling your business credit report and getting copies of all your UCC filings from the Secretary of State. Then compare them to your loan agreements. Look for major discrepancies in debtor names, collateral descriptions, or filing numbers.

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Luca Russo

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That Certana tool I mentioned would probably save you a lot of time. Instead of manually comparing documents, you just upload the PDFs and it does the cross-checking automatically.

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GalaxyGazer

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Thanks, I'll look into that. This stuff is way more complicated than I thought when we first started borrowing.

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Mateo Sanchez

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UCC filings are such a mess. Half the time the Secretary of State portal crashes when you're trying to search, and when it does work, the information is confusing. Why can't they make this process more user-friendly?

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Aisha Mahmood

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Tell me about it. Spent 2 hours last week trying to download filing copies and kept getting error messages.

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Mateo Sanchez

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Exactly! And don't even get me started on trying to figure out continuation deadlines. The whole system needs an overhaul.

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Zara Mirza

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For what it's worth, the broad collateral language in your UCC-1 lien is probably fine. Most equipment financing agreements include cross-default and cross-collateralization clauses anyway, so even if they filed against specific equipment, they'd likely have rights to other assets if you defaulted. The key is making sure the debtor name and filing details are accurate.

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Diego Chavez

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Good point about the cross-default clauses. I should probably review our loan agreement more carefully.

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Ethan Moore

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This is why I always insist on reviewing UCC filings before they're submitted. Prevents headaches down the road.

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Had a nightmare scenario with this exact issue. Lender filed a UCC-1 lien with super broad language, then when we tried to sell some unrelated equipment, the buyer's title company flagged it as potentially encumbered. Took weeks to get a partial release even though the equipment wasn't actually pledged. Now I always negotiate specific collateral descriptions upfront.

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Diego Chavez

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Wow, that sounds awful. How did you finally resolve it?

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Had to get our attorney involved to draft a letter explaining what was actually pledged. The lender eventually provided a partial release, but it delayed the sale by almost a month.

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NeonNebula

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This is actually a good example of why broad filings can create practical problems even when they're legally permissible.

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Carmen Vega

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Just want to add that you should definitely keep copies of all your UCC-1 lien documents. When these loans mature or get paid off, you'll need to make sure proper termination statements get filed. I've seen too many cases where old liens stay on credit reports because the termination paperwork got lost.

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Diego Chavez

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Good reminder. I'll make sure to set up a system for tracking that.

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Yeah, terminated liens that don't get properly removed can cause major headaches years later.

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Andre Moreau

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I'm dealing with something similar but our issue is that the debtor name on the UCC-1 lien doesn't exactly match our DBA name. The legal entity name is correct but we do business under a different name. Should I be worried about this?

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Zara Mirza

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That's potentially more serious than the original poster's issue. UCC filings need to use the exact legal name of the debtor. DBA names can cause search problems later.

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Luca Russo

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This is exactly the kind of thing that Certana.ai tool would flag. Name mismatches are one of the most common UCC filing errors and can void the lender's perfected security interest.

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Andre Moreau

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Oh no, I better look into getting that fixed then. Thanks for the heads up.

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Zoe Stavros

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Bottom line - your situation sounds normal. The UCC-1 lien filing is the lender's public notice, but your loan agreement controls the actual terms. As long as the debtor name and basic details are correct, you're probably fine. Just keep good records and make sure you understand what you've actually pledged.

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Diego Chavez

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Thanks everyone, this has been really helpful. I feel much better about the situation now.

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This whole thread has been educational. I had no idea UCC filings were so complex.

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