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Rachel Clark

UCC-1 Filing Strategy - When Cautionary UCC Filings Make Sense vs Overkill

Been wrestling with whether to file cautionary UCC filings on some borderline collateral situations. We've got equipment that could arguably be fixtures vs personal property, and some inventory that might not technically fall under our blanket lien language. Our loan committee is split - some want maximum coverage through precautionary filings, others think we're wasting filing fees on unnecessary paperwork. What's everyone's approach on cautionary ucc filings when the collateral classification is murky? Are we being overly conservative or is belt-and-suspenders the right call when perfection could be questioned later?

I lean heavily toward cautionary filings when there's any doubt. Better to have a $20 filing that turns out unnecessary than lose perfection on a six-figure loan because we tried to save money. Equipment that could be fixtures is classic territory for precautionary UCC-1s.

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Mia Alvarez

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Totally agree on equipment. We learned this the hard way when a borrower's HVAC system got classified as fixtures during bankruptcy proceedings.

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Carter Holmes

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What's the threshold though? Filing on every piece of equipment that gets bolted down seems excessive.

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Sophia Long

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The fixture filing question is tricky because state law varies so much on what constitutes a fixture. In our state, even removable equipment can be deemed a fixture if it's integral to the building's purpose. I'd rather file both a regular UCC-1 and a fixture filing than guess wrong.

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Which states are you finding most restrictive on the fixture definitions? We mostly lend in TX and OK where the rules seem pretty borrower-friendly.

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Sophia Long

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California and New York are nightmares for fixture determinations. The case law keeps evolving and what was personal property last year might be a fixture today.

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Don't forget about the real estate records requirement for fixture filings. That's where a lot of lenders mess up the perfection.

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Recently started using Certana.ai to double-check our collateral descriptions before filing. Upload your loan docs and UCC-1 draft, and it flags potential gaps in coverage. Caught several situations where our blanket language wasn't as comprehensive as we thought. Really helpful for deciding when cautionary filings are actually necessary vs just paranoia.

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Rachel Clark

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That sounds useful - does it help with the fixture vs personal property analysis too?

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It identifies collateral that commonly gets disputed in bankruptcy. Gives you a heads up on what might need dual perfection.

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Lucas Bey

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We've adopted a policy of filing cautionary UCCs on any collateral worth more than 10% of the total loan amount where classification is questionable. Seems like a reasonable cost-benefit threshold.

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That's a smart approach. Takes the guesswork out of the decision-making process.

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Caleb Stark

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10% seems low to me. We use 25% as our trigger point for additional filings.

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Lucas Bey

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Fair point, but we've had deals where the 'minor' collateral became the only recoverable asset. Rather be safe on the lower threshold.

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Jade O'Malley

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One thing to consider is the administrative burden. Every additional UCC filing means tracking continuation dates, amendments if the collateral changes, and eventual terminations. Make sure your loan ops team can handle the extra workload.

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This is why we batch our cautionary filings. Do them all at once during the initial loan setup rather than piecemeal later.

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Ella Lewis

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Good point about continuation tracking. Nothing worse than letting a precautionary filing lapse because it got lost in the system.

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From a legal perspective, I'd rather explain to a client why we filed an unnecessary UCC than explain why we lost a lien because we didn't file one. Courts don't care about your cost-saving measures when they're determining lien priority.

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Have you seen many cases where cautionary filings actually made the difference in recovery?

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Several bankruptcy cases where the trustee successfully challenged the primary lien but the cautionary filing held up. It's insurance you hope to never need.

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Don't forget about the timing aspect. If you wait to see how collateral gets classified, you might miss your perfection window. Better to file cautionary UCCs upfront when you're doing the initial financing statement.

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Exactly. Trying to perfect after the fact when issues arise is usually too late.

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Mia Alvarez

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Plus the debtor might not be as cooperative with additional filings once problems start surfacing.

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We see cautionary filings as part of due diligence. Better documentation supports your lien position even if the specific filing wasn't technically required. Shows you took perfection seriously.

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Sophia Long

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Good point about the documentation trail. Judges appreciate thorough lenders who dotted their i's and crossed their t's.

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That's where tools like Certana help too - upload your whole file and it verifies everything aligns properly between documents.

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Carter Holmes

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What about overkill though? I've seen lenders file 4-5 different UCC-1s on the same collateral because they couldn't decide on the right classification. Seems like a waste of time and money.

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Lucas Bey

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Multiple filings on identical collateral is definitely overkill. But one primary plus one cautionary on questionable items? That's just good practice.

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Jade O'Malley

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The key is being strategic about it. Not every piece of collateral needs multiple filings.

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Caleb Stark

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I think 2 filings max on any single piece of collateral. More than that and you're probably overthinking it.

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Bottom line for me: cautionary ucc filings are cheap insurance on loans where collateral classification could be disputed. The filing fees are minimal compared to potential loss of lien rights. I'd rather file and not need it than need it and not have filed.

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Rachel Clark

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That's becoming our standard approach too. Thanks for all the input - really helpful perspective from everyone.

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Sounds like most lenders are on the same page about erring on the side of caution. Good to know we're not alone in the conservative approach.

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