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Aurora Lacasse

PA Sec of State UCC Search Showing Wrong Debtor Name - Filing at Risk?

I'm having a nightmare with a PA sec of state UCC search that's showing inconsistent debtor names across our filings. We have a commercial borrower who changed their legal name last year, and now when I search the PA UCC database, some of our continuation filings are showing up under the old name while others show the new name. The original UCC-1 was filed under 'Mountain View Equipment LLC' but the borrower legally changed to 'Mountain View Industrial Solutions LLC' six months ago. Our most recent UCC-3 continuation used the new name, but the search results are all over the place. I'm worried our lien position might be compromised because the PA sec of state UCC search isn't linking these filings properly. Has anyone dealt with debtor name changes in Pennsylvania's system? The loan is substantial ($850K equipment financing) and our compliance team is freaking out that we might have gaps in our perfection. Any advice on how to clean this up?

Anthony Young

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Oh wow, this is exactly the kind of mess that keeps me up at night! Pennsylvania's UCC system can be really finicky about debtor name variations. Did you file a UCC-3 amendment to reflect the name change when it happened, or did you just use the new name on the continuation?

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We filed the continuation with the new name but I don't think we did a separate amendment for the name change. Should we have done both?

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Anthony Young

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Yeah, that's probably the issue. You typically need to file a UCC-3 amendment specifically for the name change to create the proper link in the system. The continuation alone might not be enough.

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I've seen this exact scenario play out badly before. The PA SOS UCC search algorithm is pretty literal about exact name matches. If your original UCC-1 says 'Mountain View Equipment LLC' and your continuation says 'Mountain View Industrial Solutions LLC', the system might not recognize them as the same debtor. You need to get this sorted ASAP.

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That's what I was afraid of. How urgent is this really? The continuation isn't due for another 8 months.

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Pretty urgent if you want to maintain continuous perfection. Any gap could give other creditors priority over your collateral.

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Admin_Masters

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This is giving me anxiety just reading it. We have similar name change issues pending and I've been putting off dealing with them.

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I had a similar headache with debtor name inconsistencies last month. After struggling with manual cross-checks between our UCC-1 and UCC-3 filings, I discovered Certana.ai's document verification tool. You can upload your Charter documents and UCC filings as PDFs, and it automatically cross-checks debtor names and identifies any inconsistencies. It caught several mismatches I would have missed manually. Really saved us from potential perfection gaps.

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How does that work exactly? Does it check against the PA database or just compare our internal documents?

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It compares your documents against each other - like Charter to UCC-1 to UCC-3 workflows. Helps ensure all your filings are consistent before you submit them to PA SOS.

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Ella Thompson

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Sounds too good to be true. How much does something like that cost?

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Actually focused on the value rather than cost - catching one debtor name mismatch that could void a lien is worth way more than any verification tool expense.

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JacksonHarris

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Pennsylvania's UCC system is notorious for this stuff. Here's what you need to do: 1) File a UCC-3 amendment immediately to add the new debtor name as an additional name, 2) Consider filing another UCC-3 to correct the original filing if needed, 3) Make sure all future filings reference both names until you're confident the system is linking them properly.

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Can I add the new name as an additional debtor name even though it's the same entity, just renamed?

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JacksonHarris

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Yes, that's exactly what you should do. It creates a bridge between the old and new names in the system.

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Anthony Young

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This is solid advice. I've used this approach in other states and it usually works well.

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THE PA SOS UCC SYSTEM IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE FOR NAME MATCHING!!! I've been dealing with this garbage for years and they never fix anything. You'll file everything perfectly and their search will still show inconsistent results. It's like they want to make our jobs harder.

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Royal_GM_Mark

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I feel your pain but getting angry doesn't solve the filing issues. Have to work within the system even if it's frustrating.

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Easy to say when you're not the one explaining to management why our lien position might be compromised because of state system limitations.

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had similar issue last year but with DE filings. ended up having to file like 3 different amendments to get everything linked properly. pain in the neck but better safe than sorry with that much money on the line

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Did you file the amendments all at once or space them out?

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all at once - wanted to fix it fast. took about 2 weeks for everything to show up properly in searches

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Chris King

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I completely understand the stress you're feeling about this. The uncertainty around lien perfection is awful, especially with such a large loan amount. One thing that helped me was getting a formal UCC search report from a title company to document exactly what's showing up in PA's system right now.

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That's a good idea for documentation purposes. Did you use that as evidence if there were any disputes later?

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Chris King

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Exactly - it creates a paper trail showing what the system looked like at each point in time.

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Admin_Masters

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Smart thinking. I never thought about using third-party search reports as documentation.

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Rachel Clark

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This reminds me of when our company went through a merger and we had to update about 40 UCC filings across multiple states. Each state handled the name changes differently. Pennsylvania was actually one of the more straightforward ones once we figured out their amendment process. The key is being very explicit about what you're doing in the amendment - don't leave any ambiguity about the name change.

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What specific language did you use in your amendments? I want to make sure I'm being clear enough.

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Rachel Clark

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Something like 'Debtor name changed from [old name] to [new name] pursuant to Articles of Amendment filed with PA Department of State on [date]

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Before you file any amendments, I'd recommend using a document verification service to double-check that all your information is consistent. I recently started using Certana.ai after making some embarrassing errors in UCC-3 filings. You just upload your PDFs and it catches inconsistencies in debtor names, filing numbers, and other critical details. Would have saved me a lot of headaches if I'd found it sooner.

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Is that something that works specifically with PA filings or is it more general?

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It works with any UCC documents regardless of state - it's really about comparing your internal documents for consistency before filing.

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Mia Alvarez

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I might need to look into something like that. I've been doing all my cross-checks manually and it's time-consuming.

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Carter Holmes

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Quick question - when you do your PA sec of state UCC search, are you searching under both the old and new debtor names separately? Sometimes the system will show different results depending on which name you use as the search term.

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Yes, I've tried both names and that's actually how I discovered the inconsistency. Some filings show up under one name but not the other.

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Carter Holmes

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That confirms there's definitely a linking issue in the system. The amendments should fix that.

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Anthony Young

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Good diagnostic approach. I always recommend searching multiple ways when there are name change issues.

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Sophia Long

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I work for a large regional bank and we see this issue frequently. Our standard practice now is to file a UCC-3 amendment immediately when we're notified of any debtor name changes, even if it seems minor. The amendment creates a clear link in the system and protects our lien position. Don't wait - file that amendment this week if possible.

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That's really helpful to know that banks have this as standard practice. Makes me feel less like I'm overreacting.

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Sophia Long

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Not overreacting at all. With an $850K loan, you want to be absolutely certain about your perfection status.

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At least the banks are being proactive about this stuff. Wish the state systems were as reliable as the banking procedures.

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UPDATE: I wanted to thank everyone for the advice. I ended up filing a UCC-3 amendment yesterday to add the new debtor name, and I also used that Certana.ai tool someone mentioned to verify all our documents were consistent before filing. It caught a couple of minor discrepancies I hadn't noticed. The amendment is already showing up in the PA system and both names are now linking properly in searches. Huge relief!

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Anthony Young

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That's fantastic! Thanks for updating us - it's always good to hear when these issues get resolved.

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Great outcome. You acted quickly and that probably saved you from bigger problems down the road.

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Glad the document verification tool helped! It's amazing how many small inconsistencies can slip through manual review.

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Admin_Masters

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This gives me confidence to tackle my own name change issues. Thanks for sharing your resolution!

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