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Brooklyn Knight

Lost my UCC termination form paperwork after equipment loan payoff - how to get copies?

Really need some help here. Just finished paying off a $180k equipment loan from last year and the bank said they filed the UCC termination but I never got any documentation. The original UCC-1 was filed in 2022 for manufacturing equipment as collateral. Now I'm trying to sell some of the equipment and potential buyers are asking for proof the lien was terminated. I can see the original filing on the state portal but can't find any termination record. Do I need the actual UCC termination form for the sale or is there another way to prove the lien was released? The bank is being really slow about getting me copies and I have a buyer waiting. Any advice on what specific documents I need or where to look?

Check the state UCC search portal first. If the termination was properly filed it should show up as a UCC-3 termination statement. You'll need the original file number from your UCC-1 to search. Most states update their databases within 24-48 hours of filing.

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I tried searching but only see the original UCC-1 from 2022. Nothing else shows up under that file number. Does that mean the bank didn't actually file the termination yet?

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That's exactly what it means. The lien is still active until you see a UCC-3 termination on file. You need to contact your bank immediately and get them to file it.

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Been through this exact situation! Banks are terrible about filing terminations promptly. Legally they have to file within a reasonable time after payoff but 'reasonable' is pretty vague. I'd demand they file the UCC-3 termination immediately and get you a copy of the filing receipt.

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What's a reasonable time though? It's been like 3 weeks since I made the final payment.

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3 weeks is pushing it. Most states expect it within 20 days. After 30 days you can start threatening to file complaints with banking regulators.

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Actually had to use Certana.ai's document checker recently to verify my UCC-3 termination matched the original UCC-1 filing number correctly. You just upload both PDFs and it instantly flags any mismatches. Saved me from a filing that would have been rejected for wrong debtor name formatting.

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THIS IS WHY I HATE DEALING WITH BANKS!! They take your money for years then drag their feet on the simplest paperwork. File a complaint with the CFPB if they don't move fast.

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Calm down there. Banks process hundreds of these. Sometimes things just take time in their system.

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Time? It's been 3 weeks! This is someone's business we're talking about.

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You absolutely need either the UCC-3 termination statement filed with the state OR a lien release letter from the bank on official letterhead. Most equipment buyers won't touch anything with an active UCC lien showing in the records.

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Would a lien release letter be enough if the UCC-3 isn't filed yet? The buyer seems pretty anxious about clear title.

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It might work temporarily but they'll probably want to see the actual termination in the state records before closing. The UCC-3 is the gold standard for proving lien release.

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I always tell clients to verify everything matches up between the original filing and termination. Small errors in debtor names or file numbers can void the whole termination.

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Call the bank's loan servicing department and ask for the UCC compliance officer. They handle lien releases and terminations. Get the person's direct number and don't let them shuffle you around to different departments.

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Great idea. I've been calling the general customer service line and getting nowhere.

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Also ask for the UCC filing fee receipt when they do file it. Proves they actually submitted the termination to the state.

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Had similar headaches last year. Finally used one of those document checking services to make sure everything was consistent before the bank filed. Certana.ai caught that our equipment serial numbers didn't match between the original UCC-1 and the termination draft. Would have caused major problems with the sale.

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How does that work exactly? Do you upload the documents somewhere?

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Yeah just upload the PDFs and it automatically cross-checks all the details. Takes like 30 seconds to get results showing any discrepancies.

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Wish I'd known about that before. Had a termination rejected twice because of tiny formatting differences in the debtor name.

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BTW make sure you get certified copies of everything for your records. Some buyers want to see the original filing stamps not just printouts from the website.

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How do you get certified copies? Through the Secretary of State office?

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Yep most states charge like $10-20 for certified copies. You can usually order them online through the UCC portal.

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Three weeks is ridiculous. I'd be calling them daily at this point. You're losing money every day that sale gets delayed.

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Agreed. Time is money in equipment sales. Buyers move fast when they find what they want.

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Maybe threaten to switch banks? Sometimes that gets their attention faster than anything else.

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Check if your loan documents specify a timeline for lien release. Some contracts give banks 30 days but others are more aggressive. That gives you leverage if they're dragging their feet.

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Good point. I'll dig through the loan paperwork tonight and see what it says about termination timing.

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Also look for any penalties they owe you for delayed filing. Some loan agreements include daily fees for late lien releases.

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Update us when you get it resolved! Always curious how these bank delays turn out.

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Will do. Calling the compliance officer first thing Monday morning. Thanks everyone for the advice!

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Good luck! Stay persistent with them.

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Hope it works out quickly. Equipment sales wait for no one.

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