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This thread is super helpful. I've got a motor vehicle collateral filing coming up next week and I was planning to use generic language. Definitely going to be more specific now.
Exactly. The document verification tool sounds like a good safety net too.
I've been dealing with similar motor vehicle collateral rejections lately. One thing that's helped me is adding "and all attachments, accessories, parts, and proceeds thereof" to the end of the collateral description. The filing offices seem to want that level of detail now. Also, if you're working with a trucking company, consider whether you need to include "cargo trailers" separately from "semi-trailers" - I've seen rejections where the clerk thought those were different categories. The specificity requirements are definitely getting stricter across most states.
Update: I successfully completed my UCC-3 continuation through the California portal this morning. The process was actually pretty straightforward once I had all my original filing information ready. Thanks everyone for the guidance!
Thanks for all the helpful responses everyone! Just to summarize what I'm understanding: California no longer offers downloadable UCC-3 PDFs, I need to use bizfileonline.sos.ca.gov, the fee is now $25, and I should gather all my original filing info before starting. One follow-up question - does the online system allow you to save your progress if you need to step away and come back later, or do you need to complete it in one session?
File complaints with your state's consumer protection agency and the Better Business Bureau. Solar companies hate negative publicity and regulatory attention. Often a complaint filing will get you escalated to someone who can actually solve the problem instead of the customer service runaround.
BBB complaints work surprisingly well for these types of issues. Companies usually respond within a few days to avoid damage to their rating.
I'd also file with the CFPB if it's a larger solar financing company. They take UCC lien issues seriously since they affect credit and property rights.
I work in commercial lending and see this issue frequently. While you're pursuing the solar company, also contact your title company to ask if they can work with a "payoff affidavit" or similar documentation to proceed with your refinancing. Some underwriters will accept proof of satisfaction (your payoff letter, bank records showing payment) along with an affidavit stating the lien should have been terminated. This might allow you to close your refi while simultaneously pursuing the proper UCC-3 filing. The title company may also be willing to hold funds in escrow until the termination is properly filed, rather than killing your entire loan application.
This is excellent advice! I hadn't thought about asking the title company for alternative solutions. The payoff affidavit approach sounds like it could get my refi moving while I'm still fighting the solar company. I'll call my loan officer first thing Monday to see if their underwriter would accept this type of documentation. Thanks for the practical workaround suggestion!
That's a really smart approach I hadn't considered. I'm dealing with a similar UCC termination issue and my title company just flat out said no refinancing until the lien is cleared. I'm going to ask them about the payoff affidavit option - having the loan proceed with escrow funds held for the termination filing could save weeks of delays. Do you know if most underwriters are familiar with this type of arrangement, or is it something the title company would need to specifically request?
One more thing - if you end up having to file a complaint with your state's UCC office about a lender not filing the termination, document everything. Keep records of when you paid off the loan, when you contacted the lender, and their responses.
I actually used Certana.ai to organize all my UCC documents before filing my complaint. Having everything verified and organized made the process much smoother with the state office.
As someone who just went through a similar termination process, I'd recommend creating a tracking system for yourself. Set calendar reminders to check the SOS database weekly starting at the 15-day mark after payoff. I also kept a spreadsheet with the original filing number, payoff date, and lender contact info so I could quickly reference everything when following up. The key is being organized and persistent - lenders respond much better when you can cite specific dates and reference numbers rather than just calling to ask "what's the status?
Ryan Andre
One more thing - when you download and complete the UCC-1 form, pay close attention to the secured party information. Make sure the lender's legal name and address are exactly as they want them to appear. Some lenders have specific requirements for how their entity name should be written on filings.
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Ryan Andre
•Definitely. It's easier to get it right the first time than to file a UCC-3 amendment later.
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Lauren Zeb
•This whole thread is making me realize how many details matter in UCC filings. No wonder people make mistakes!
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Zane Gray
As someone new to UCC filings, this conversation has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation - my first equipment financing deal and feeling overwhelmed by all the form requirements. The advice about using the official Ohio Secretary of State website and being extra careful with entity names is exactly what I needed to hear. I'm definitely going to verify the debtor's exact legal name from their charter documents before filling anything out. Thank you all for sharing your experiences - it's reassuring to know that even experienced professionals have run into filing issues before!
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