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Just went through something similar with a Florida borrower. Turned out the debtor had filed under slightly different names in different counties before the statewide system. Your UCC-11 search might not be picking up older county-level filings.
Florida centralized UCC filings in 2002. Anything before that might still be at the county level. Check with the counties where your debtor operated.
This is why professional UCC searches are worth it for complex situations. They know about these historical filing locations.
Quick question - when you guys are dealing with borrowers that have multiple related entities, how do you handle the debtor name on the UCC-1? Do you file separate forms for each entity or try to include multiple names on one filing?
Thanks everyone for all the advice on this thread. I'm going to implement the state database verification process and see if that cuts down on our rejection rate. The Certana.ai tool sounds interesting too - might be worth trying if it can automate some of this verification work. Will report back on how it goes!
The Certana tool has been a game-changer for us. The upload process is super simple and it catches inconsistencies we would have missed manually.
Looking forward to hearing your results. UCC filing efficiency is something we all struggle with.
Try doing a search using just the first few words of the company name without any designations like LLC or Inc. Sometimes that will return results that the full name search missed due to formatting differences.
That's a good idea - I'll try a partial name search and see what comes up.
Just be careful with partial searches because you might get results for similarly named but different entities. Make sure to verify the addresses and other details match your debtor.
One more thing - double check that you're searching in the right state. If this is a multi-state company, there might be UCC filings in other states where they do business or where the collateral is located.
Good. Just wanted to make sure since I've seen cases where people search the wrong state and miss active liens.
Also worth checking if this is a subsidiary of a larger company. Sometimes UCC filings are made against the parent company name instead of the subsidiary.
Just went through something similar. Used specific 1-308 language and it actually helped us negotiate a better outcome. The lender's counsel took our objections more seriously once they saw we were preserving rights to challenge their demands. Ended up with a compromise that worked for everyone.
About three weeks. They came back with questions about our specific objections, we clarified our position, and eventually found middle ground on the collateral requirements.
This shows how 1-308 can work as intended - preserving rights while allowing business to continue. It's not about avoiding obligations, it's about keeping options open.
Whatever you decide, document EVERYTHING. Keep copies of all communications, take notes on phone calls, save emails. If you do use 1-308 and end up in court later, you'll need a complete record of why you felt compelled to sign despite your objections.
Already started a file with all the lender communications. Should I also document our internal discussions about why we object to their demands?
Absolutely. Internal memos showing your business reasons for objecting can be valuable evidence later. Just be careful about attorney-client privilege if your lawyer is involved.
Jamal Brown
Another option is to file an amendment after you get clarity on the correct name format. Tennessee allows UCC-3 amendments to correct debtor information if needed.
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Mei Zhang
•True but amendments can be tricky timing-wise. Better to get it right the first time if possible.
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Liam McConnell
•Plus you're not fully perfected until the amendment is filed and accepted, which creates a gap in coverage.
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Amara Oluwaseyi
Update - I ended up using Certana to verify the name consistency and it confirmed the charter name was the way to go. Filed the UCC-1 with 'ABC Manufacturing Solutions, LLC' including the comma and it was accepted without issues. Thanks everyone for the advice!
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Giovanni Rossi
•Thanks for the update, this will help if I run into the same situation with Tennessee filings.
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Fatima Al-Maktoum
•Glad the document verification service worked out for you. Might have to try that for my next tricky filing.
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