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Mei Liu

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This entire discussion has been incredibly valuable! As a newcomer to business financing, I had no idea how complex UCC filings could be. A few key takeaways that really stood out to me: 1) The importance of exact name matching between your business formation documents and the UCC filing - seems like this trips up a lot of people, 2) The 5-year expiration requiring continuation statements for longer loans, 3) The fact that these are public records that competitors can search, and 4) Filing in your state of organization rather than where assets are located. One thing I'm still curious about - for businesses that have both equipment loans and working capital lines of credit, do you typically end up with multiple UCC filings, or can one filing cover multiple types of collateral from the same lender?

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Jasmine Quinn

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Great summary of the key points! For your question about multiple loans from the same lender - it really depends on how the lender structures things. Many lenders will use one comprehensive UCC-1 filing that covers "all assets" or broad categories like "all equipment, inventory, accounts receivable, and general intangibles" to secure multiple loans. This gives them a blanket lien that can cover current and future advances. However, some lenders prefer separate filings for each loan facility, especially if they have different terms or collateral requirements. The broad approach is more efficient administratively, but specific filings can provide clearer documentation of what secures each individual loan. Either way, you'll want to review your loan documents carefully to understand exactly what assets are being pledged and whether the UCC filing matches what's described in your security agreement.

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Dmitry Volkov

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This thread has been absolutely enlightening! As someone just starting to navigate business financing, I had no idea that UCC filings were even a thing, let alone how intricate the process can be. The detail everyone has shared here - from the $10 California filing fee to the complexity of fixture filings - really shows how much goes into secured lending that borrowers never see. I'm particularly struck by how many ways things can go wrong: name mismatches, missed continuation filings, forgetting termination statements when loans are paid off. It seems like having good documentation practices and maybe using verification tools like some mentioned could save a lot of headaches. Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences - hearing about actual rejections and mistakes makes this feel much more concrete than just reading legal definitions online.

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AstroAce

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I'm in the exact same boat as you! When I first heard about UCC filings from my accountant, I thought it was just another form to fill out. Had no clue about all these potential pitfalls everyone's mentioned. The name matching thing especially worries me - seems like such an easy mistake to make but costly to fix. Really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain all this stuff. Makes me feel a lot more confident about asking the right questions when we start looking for equipment financing next month.

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Kylo Ren

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This thread has been incredibly helpful. I'm definitely going to implement some kind of automated tracking system rather than relying on manual spreadsheets. The risk of missing continuation deadlines on large secured loans is just too high to leave to human error.

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Jay Lincoln

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If you decide to try Certana.ai, I'd recommend starting with your most critical filings first. Get comfortable with how it handles the document verification before rolling it out to your entire portfolio.

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Kylo Ren

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Good advice. I'll definitely start with a pilot program on our highest-value secured positions. Can't afford any learning curve mistakes on the big loans.

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Just wanted to add my experience from the banking side - we've found that creating a centralized UCC tracking database with automated alerts has been essential for managing our multi-state portfolio. Beyond just expiration dates, we also track filing fees by state since those can vary significantly and impact budgeting. One thing that's helped us is maintaining relationships with local counsel in each jurisdiction who can provide real-time updates on any procedural changes or system issues. The cost of having that expertise available is minimal compared to the potential loss from a missed continuation deadline.

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Javier Gomez

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That's a great point about filing fees varying by state - I hadn't considered the budgeting impact of that. The local counsel relationships sound valuable too. How do you typically structure those arrangements? Are they on retainer or do you engage them on an as-needed basis for UCC matters?

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Really appreciate the comprehensive approach you've outlined here. The point about tracking filing fees by state is something I hadn't fully considered - those variations can definitely add up across a large portfolio. I'm curious about your centralized database setup - did you build it in-house or use a third-party solution? Also wondering how you handle the automated alerts - are they tied to specific deadlines or do you have multiple reminder tiers like some others have mentioned?

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Final thought - if the continuation was filed correctly but just not showing in search, you can always provide your client with the official acceptance notice as proof. Most banks will accept that documentation even if their own search doesn't show the continuation yet.

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Mei Zhang

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Exactly. The filing receipt is your proof of perfection. Search glitches don't invalidate properly filed documents.

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Liam McGuire

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Though you still want to get the search issue resolved eventually for future reference checks.

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Had this exact same nightmare scenario with NY SOS last year! Filed a UCC-3 continuation in February, got the acceptance notice, but searches weren't showing it for almost 6 weeks. Turns out there was a system glitch on their end that affected filings from that time period. I ended up having to call their UCC division directly (took forever to get through) but they were able to manually verify the filing was valid and pushed it through to show up in searches. In the meantime, I sent my client a certified letter explaining that the acceptance notice serves as legal proof of continuation regardless of search results. The bank accepted this documentation without issue. Definitely call NY SOS directly with your filing number - they can usually sort it out faster than waiting for the system to self-correct.

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Aisha Hussain

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This entire discussion has been incredibly enlightening! As someone relatively new to commercial lending, I was initially intimidated by the UCC Article 9 complexity, but reading through everyone's experiences and practical tips has really demystified the process. The consensus seems to be that while flowcharts and checklists are helpful starting points, having reliable systems and tools (like the Certana.ai solution several people mentioned) can catch the critical details that manual processes might miss. I'm particularly grateful for the insights about debtor name precision, the importance of immediate UCC-1 filing rather than relying on grace periods, and the strategic considerations around separate filings for different collateral types. What strikes me most is how this thread demonstrates that even experienced professionals continue to learn and refine their approaches - it makes me feel less alone in navigating these waters. I'll definitely be implementing some of these suggestions, especially the search-first approach and the systematic calendar tracking for continuation deadlines. Thank you all for sharing your hard-won expertise!

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Welcome to the UCC world! Your enthusiasm is refreshing and you're absolutely right that this thread shows how we're all continuously learning. One additional tip I'd offer as you implement these suggestions: start building relationships with your state's UCC filing office staff early. When you have questions about specific filings or need clarification on state-specific requirements, having a contact who knows your voice can be invaluable. Also, consider subscribing to UCC update services in your key states - the rules do evolve and staying current is crucial. The learning curve is steep but once you get the fundamentals down, you'll find yourself catching details that used to slip by. Don't hesitate to ask questions in forums like this - the commercial lending community is generally very supportive of newcomers who are genuinely trying to do things right.

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Daniel Rivera

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I'm jumping in as someone who recently went through this same UCC Article 9 learning process! What really helped me was starting with a basic three-bucket approach: (1) Is there a security interest? (2) Did it attach properly? (3) How do we perfect it? For your mixed collateral situation, I found it useful to create a simple matrix listing each collateral type and its perfection method - equipment/inventory almost always needs UCC-1, but accounts receivable and deposit accounts have some nuances. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: don't get paralyzed by all the exceptions and edge cases when you're starting out. Master the 90% cases first (which is basically: signed security agreement + UCC-1 filing), then learn the specialty rules. The continuation deadline tracking mentioned by others is absolutely critical - I use a shared calendar with multiple alerts because missing those 5-year deadlines can be catastrophic. Also, definitely run those debtor name searches before filing - I've seen too many filings that were technically perfect but useless because they didn't reveal prior liens that affected priority.

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Jayden Hill

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The whole UCC system needs an overhaul. Too much manual processing and too many opportunities for errors. At least most states have online filing now but the speed and accuracy is still hit or miss.

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LordCommander

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Agreed. Electronic filing has helped but it's still dependent on people doing their jobs properly and promptly.

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Jayden Hill

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Exactly. And when there are mistakes it takes forever to get them corrected. The system just isn't designed for speed or convenience.

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Javier Garcia

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As someone who just went through this process, I'd recommend being more proactive with the bank. Call them every week and ask for a specific timeline - don't just accept "it's being processed." Also, make sure you have the original UCC-1 filing number handy when you call, as that helps them track it in their system. In my experience, mentioning that you need it for time-sensitive financing often gets better results than just asking generally about the status. The 30-60 day timeframe mentioned earlier is pretty standard, but you can definitely push for faster processing if you explain your situation clearly.

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