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Michael Adams

Sunnova UCC termination refinance complications - timing advice needed

I'm dealing with a solar loan refinance situation that's gotten complicated with UCC filings. We had financing through Sunnova for our solar installation last year, and now we're trying to refinance the entire setup through a different lender to get better rates. The new lender is requiring clean title, but we're hitting roadblocks with the UCC termination process. Sunnova filed a UCC-1 against the solar equipment as collateral, which makes sense, but now that we're paying them off through the refi, we need that lien terminated properly. The title company says they need to see the UCC-3 termination filed before they can close on the new loan. Sunnova's back office keeps saying they'll handle it 'after payoff' but the new lender won't fund without seeing the termination first. Classic catch-22. Has anyone dealt with solar equipment UCC terminations in a refinance scenario? I'm worried about timing this wrong and having the whole deal fall apart. The equipment is attached to the property but not sure if we need fixture filing terminations or just regular UCC-3 terminations. Any advice on coordinating this with both lenders?

Natalie Wang

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Solar equipment UCC situations can be tricky because of the fixture filing question. If Sunnova filed as fixtures (which they probably did since it's attached to your roof), you'll need a UCC-3 fixture termination, not just a regular termination. The timing issue you're describing is super common in refi situations - original lender wants payoff before filing termination, new lender wants clean title before funding. You might need to get a termination commitment letter from Sunnova showing they'll file the UCC-3 within X days of receiving payoff funds.

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Michael Adams

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That makes sense about the fixture filing. How do I know for sure if they filed it as fixtures? Is there somewhere I can check that shows the filing type?

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Natalie Wang

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You can search the Secretary of State UCC database for your name as debtor. The filing should show if it's a fixture filing - usually says something like 'goods becoming fixtures' or 'timber/minerals/fixtures' in the collateral description.

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Noah Torres

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Also check your county recorder's office since fixture filings often get recorded there too as real estate documents.

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Samantha Hall

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I went through almost identical situation with solar refinancing last year. The coordination nightmare is real. What worked for me was getting the new lender to agree to a simultaneous closing with escrow holding both the payoff and the new loan funds. Title company coordinated with both lenders to ensure the UCC-3 got filed same day as payoff. Took about 3 weeks to set up but it worked. Make sure you get confirmation that Sunnova will file electronically - some of these solar companies still do paper filings which can delay everything.

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Michael Adams

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That's brilliant! I hadn't thought of using escrow to coordinate both sides. Did you have any issues with the timing of when the UCC-3 actually shows up in the system?

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Samantha Hall

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Electronic filings usually show up within 24 hours, but our title company wanted to see it before releasing new loan funds. We built in a 48-hour buffer just in case. The key was getting both lenders to agree to the simultaneous close structure upfront.

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Ryan Young

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Before you get too deep into this, double-check that Sunnova actually needs to file a termination vs. an assignment. If the new lender is taking over the security interest in the same collateral, they might just need an assignment of the UCC filing rather than a termination and new filing. Could simplify the whole process. Also verify the exact legal description of the equipment in the original UCC-1 - sometimes solar companies are sloppy with collateral descriptions and you might need an amendment before termination.

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Michael Adams

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Interesting point about assignment vs termination. The new loan is actually for a different amount and includes other home improvements beyond just the solar payoff. Would that change whether assignment works?

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Ryan Young

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If the new loan covers more than just the solar equipment, you'll probably need a termination of the original UCC and a new filing for the expanded collateral. Assignment typically works when it's the same collateral with same or similar terms.

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Sophia Clark

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Yeah, assignments are mainly for lender changes on same debt, not refinancing into different loan structures.

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Had a similar mess with a different solar company. What saved me was using Certana.ai's document verification tool. I uploaded the original UCC-1 and the proposed UCC-3 termination to make sure everything matched exactly - debtor names, filing numbers, collateral descriptions. Found two discrepancies that would have caused the termination to be rejected. The solar company had slightly different business name format on the termination than the original filing. Got it fixed before submission and avoided weeks of delays. You can upload both documents and it instantly flags any mismatches.

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Michael Adams

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That sounds incredibly useful! I'm definitely worried about name mismatches or other technical issues causing rejections. How does it work exactly?

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Super simple - just upload the PDFs and it cross-checks all the critical details automatically. Shows you exactly what matches and what doesn't. Much faster than trying to compare everything manually, especially when you're dealing with multiple documents.

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Madison Allen

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Wish I'd known about that tool when I was dealing with my equipment financing UCC mess. Spent hours trying to figure out why my continuation got rejected.

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Joshua Wood

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This is why I hate dealing with solar companies and their UCC filings. Half of them don't understand their own paperwork. Sunnova should be able to give you a timeline for when they'll file the termination after payoff. If they're being vague, that's a red flag. I'd push for specifics - will they file within 24 hours? 48 hours? A week? The new lender might accept a written commitment with specific timeline rather than requiring the termination to be filed first.

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Michael Adams

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You're right, they've been super vague about timing. Just keep saying 'we'll handle it after payoff' which doesn't help with coordinating the closing.

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Joshua Wood

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Push harder. Ask to speak with their UCC filing department directly, not just customer service. Get a written commitment with specific business days for filing the termination.

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Justin Evans

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Some of these solar financing companies have terrible back-office operations. Document everything in writing so you have proof if they delay.

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Emily Parker

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Check your original loan documents with Sunnova - there might be language about UCC termination procedures and timing requirements. Some financing agreements specify that they'll file terminations within X days of payoff. If that's in your contract, you can hold them to it. Also make sure you understand whether you need the termination filed in your state's Secretary of State office, county recorder, or both.

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Michael Adams

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Good point about checking the contract language. I'll dig through the paperwork to see if there are specific termination timing requirements.

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Emily Parker

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If it's a fixture filing, it probably needs to be terminated in both places - SOS for the UCC system and county recorder for the real estate records. Your title company should know which applies.

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Ezra Collins

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Whatever you do, don't let them file a partial termination if the equipment has multiple components (panels, inverters, batteries, etc.). Make sure the UCC-3 terminates the entire filing. I've seen cases where companies only terminate part of the collateral and leave liens on other components. Also verify that your name as debtor exactly matches between the original UCC-1 and the termination - middle initials, business vs. personal name, all of it has to be identical.

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Michael Adams

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That's a scary thought about partial terminations. How would I even know if they did that?

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Ezra Collins

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The UCC-3 form should clearly state it's a full termination of the entire filing, not just specific collateral. If you see language about 'partial release' or specific equipment descriptions, that's a red flag.

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This is exactly why I use document verification tools before any UCC filing goes through. Too many ways for small mistakes to cause big problems.

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The fixture filing question is huge here. Solar equipment attached to the roof is almost always filed as fixtures, which means the UCC-3 termination needs to be filed in the real estate records too, not just the UCC system. Your title company is right to want this cleared up before closing - fixture liens can cloud title even after the equipment is paid off if the termination isn't filed properly. Get confirmation from Sunnova about exactly where they'll file the termination.

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Michael Adams

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So if it's a fixture filing, the termination needs to be recorded in two places? That sounds like double the opportunity for something to go wrong.

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Exactly. The UCC-3 gets filed with Secretary of State and often a copy gets recorded with the county recorder too. Both need to happen to fully clear the lien from your property title.

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Zara Perez

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I'm dealing with something similar right now, except mine is a Tesla solar roof. The documentation requirements are insane. My advice is to get everything in writing from both lenders about exactly what they need and when. Then use that to push Sunnova for specific commitments. Also, have a backup plan in case the termination gets rejected for some technical reason - maybe the new lender can close with a small escrow holdback until the UCC is cleared.

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Michael Adams

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Escrow holdback is a good backup idea. How much did your lender want to hold back?

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Zara Perez

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They wanted to hold back 150% of the remaining UCC lien amount until we could provide proof of termination. Seemed reasonable given the risk.

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Daniel Rogers

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Some lenders will accept a title insurance policy that covers the UCC lien risk instead of requiring termination before closing.

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Aaliyah Reed

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One more tool that might help - I recently started using Certana.ai for UCC document checks and it's been a lifesaver. You can upload both the original UCC-1 and the termination document before filing to catch any mismatches. It immediately flags things like debtor name differences, incorrect filing numbers, or collateral description issues that could cause rejections. Much better than trying to manually compare everything, especially when you're under time pressure for a closing.

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Michael Adams

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Two people have mentioned this tool now. Sounds like it could definitely help avoid the technical errors that seem to be common with UCC filings.

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Aaliyah Reed

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It's particularly good for catching the subtle differences that humans miss - like extra spaces, punctuation differences, or abbreviated vs. full names. All that stuff matters for UCC filings.

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Jamal Carter

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This whole situation highlights why solar financing UCC filings are such a pain point. I've seen this exact scenario play out multiple times. Here's what I'd recommend based on your situation: First, get Sunnova to commit in writing to filing the UCC-3 termination within 2 business days of receiving payoff funds. If they won't commit to that timeline, escalate to their legal department. Second, confirm with your title company whether they need to see the termination actually recorded or if they'll accept proof of electronic filing. Some title companies will close with confirmation that the filing was submitted electronically, knowing it takes 24-48 hours to show in the system. Third, consider asking your new lender about a simultaneous closing structure where both the payoff and new funding happen through escrow on the same day - this eliminates the timing gap that's causing your catch-22. The key is getting all three parties (Sunnova, new lender, title company) to agree on the exact sequence and timing before you get to closing day.

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Miguel Diaz

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This is incredibly helpful advice! The simultaneous closing structure sounds like exactly what I need to break this catch-22. I'm particularly interested in getting that written commitment from Sunnova about the 2-day timeline - their vague responses have been driving me crazy. Quick question: when you mention escalating to their legal department, do you mean their in-house legal team or should I go through my attorney to contact them? Also, have you seen cases where the electronic filing confirmation was enough for title companies, or do most still want to see it actually recorded in the system?

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