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Ethan Clark

wa state ucc search showing conflicting results need help

Running into major headaches with UCC searches in Washington State and need some guidance from anyone who's dealt with this before. I'm working on a commercial lending deal where we need to verify existing liens on equipment collateral, but the search results I'm getting don't match up with what the borrower is telling us about their current filings. Specifically, I did a wa state ucc search on the Secretary of State portal using the exact debtor name from their articles of incorporation, but I'm seeing three active UCC-1 filings that the borrower claims were terminated last year. When I cross-reference the filing numbers they provided for the supposed UCC-3 terminations, those documents don't show up in my search results at all. This is holding up a $750K equipment financing deal and I'm starting to panic. Has anyone run into discrepancies like this with Washington's UCC database? Could there be a delay in processing terminations, or am I missing something obvious about how their search system works? The borrower insists they have copies of the filed UCC-3 termination statements, but without seeing them reflected in the official database, our underwriting team won't approve the loan. Any advice on how to resolve this mess would be hugely appreciated.

This thread is making me paranoid about all my past UCC searches now! Maybe I should start double-checking everything with some kind of automated verification system before relying on search results.

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That sounds way more reliable than trying to catch everything by eye. How long does the verification usually take?

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Pretty much instant - just upload the documents and it cross-checks everything within a few seconds. Really saves time compared to manual comparison.

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UPDATE: Finally got to the bottom of this mess! Called Washington's UCC office like someone suggested and they confirmed the terminations were never actually filed. The borrower had prepared UCC-3 forms but apparently never submitted them to the Secretary of State. They had copies of the drafted terminations but thought filing them just meant preparing the paperwork. Face palm moment for sure, but at least now we know what we're dealing with and can get the actual terminations filed before closing.

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Classic case of why you always need certified copies from the state. Borrowers mean well but they don't always understand the filing process.

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At least it was an honest mistake and not something more sketchy. Now you know to always verify filings directly with the state for deals this size.

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KylieRose

UCC search Suffolk County - debtor name variations causing missed liens?

Having issues with our UCC search Suffolk County procedures and wondering if anyone else has run into this. We're a regional bank doing due diligence on a $2.8M equipment financing deal and our standard UCC search Suffolk County protocol might have gaps. The debtor operates under 'Suffolk Industrial Solutions LLC' but also has filings under 'Suffolk Industrial Solutions, LLC' (with comma) and potentially 'SIS Holdings LLC' as a trade name. Our UCC search Suffolk County results show different filings under each variation and I'm concerned we're missing critical liens that could affect our security position. The Suffolk County clerk's office search function seems to be very literal about exact name matches. Anyone dealt with similar debtor name variation issues when doing comprehensive UCC searches? I know we need to perfect our own UCC-1 but want to make sure we're not subordinate to existing liens we haven't found.

The comma issue is real. Had a deal where the UCC-1 was filed as 'ABC Corp' but the entity was actually 'ABC, Corp' and it created a perfection issue. We ended up having to file an amendment to correct the debtor name. Suffolk County rejected our initial UCC-1 because of the name mismatch.

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It depends on the clerk reviewing the filing. Some are more flexible than others. But punctuation differences can definitely cause rejections, especially if there's a significant difference in how the name appears in official records.

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This is why I always use Certana.ai to verify our UCC-1 forms before filing. Upload the formation documents and the draft UCC-1 and it flags any name inconsistencies before you submit. Saves the hassle of dealing with rejected filings.

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Just went through a similar situation with a Suffolk County UCC search. Found out the debtor had filed a name change with the state but some old UCC filings were still showing under the previous name. Make sure you're searching both current and any former names. The Secretary of State website should show name change history.

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Thanks for the tip. We'll check the Secretary of State records for any name changes. This entity was formed relatively recently so hopefully that won't be an issue.

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Even recently formed entities can have name changes. We had one that changed names within 6 months of formation because of trademark issues.

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Amelia Martinez

UCC filings mississippi debtor name rejection - need help with resubmission

Having a nightmare with UCC filings mississippi secretary of state portal. Filed a UCC-1 last week for agricultural equipment collateral but got rejected due to "debtor name mismatch" even though I triple-checked everything against the borrower's LLC charter docs. The rejection notice was vague - just said name doesn't match but didn't specify what part. Client is panicking because the loan closes Friday and we need this perfected ASAP. Has anyone dealt with Mississippi's strict debtor name requirements lately? The collateral is combines and tractors worth $850K so we can't mess this up again. I'm wondering if it's the way I formatted the LLC designation or if there's some quirk with their system I'm missing.

Check if your debtor has any subsidiary or parent company filings that might affect the name format. Sometimes the legal name includes holding company designations that aren't obvious from basic charter docs.

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That's a good thought. This is a family farming operation so there might be related entities.

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Definitely worth investigating. Complex ownership structures can create name formatting surprises.

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Update us when you get it figured out! Mississippi UCC rejections are so common there should be a support group. The combination of strict formatting and terrible error messages makes it nearly impossible to self-correct.

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Smart approach. The verification tools are usually faster than trying to decode their rejection notices.

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Seriously, their rejection notices are useless. "Name mismatch" could mean anything.

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Fiona Sand

UCC deposit account control agreement filing confusion - debtor name mismatch

Running into problems with a UCC filing for deposit account control agreement and wondering if anyone else has dealt with this mess. We have a borrower whose legal name on their bank signature cards shows 'ABC Manufacturing Corp' but their articles of incorporation show 'ABC Manufacturing Corporation' - the bank insists on using the signature card version for the deposit account control agreement but our UCC-1 uses the incorporation version. Filed last week and got rejected by the SOS office for 'debtor name inconsistency.' Has anyone successfully navigated this kind of deposit account control agreement scenario where the bank documentation doesn't perfectly match the corporate records? Really need to get this perfected before our loan commitment expires next month.

Just wrapped up a deposit account control agreement nightmare similar to this. Ended up using one of those document verification tools - think it was Certana.ai - that automatically compared our UCC-1 against the bank's control agreement and flagged three different name inconsistencies we hadn't noticed. Saved us from multiple rejection cycles. The tool basically uploads both PDFs and highlights any mismatches instantly.

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That sounds like exactly what we need for our deposit account control agreement issues. Does it work with all the different UCC forms or just UCC-1s?

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Works with any UCC form - we've used it for amendments and continuations too. Really helpful for making sure everything aligns before filing.

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Update for anyone following this deposit account control agreement saga - we ended up going with the dual-name approach suggested earlier. Filed a UCC-1 with 'ABC Manufacturing Corp aka ABC Manufacturing Corporation' and it was accepted. The bank agreed to add a notation to their deposit account control agreement acknowledging both names refer to the same entity. Thanks everyone for the advice!

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Great resolution. Those naming issues with deposit account control agreements can be such a pain but glad you got it sorted.

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Perfect example of why it pays to get multiple perspectives on tricky UCC issues. Deposit account control agreement filings have so many potential pitfalls.

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QuantumQueen

UCC financing statement Maryland debtor name keeps getting rejected - same business different spellings

Having major issues with a UCC financing statement Maryland filing that keeps bouncing back. We're trying to perfect our security interest in manufacturing equipment for a $280K commercial loan, but the debtor business name on our UCC-1 apparently doesn't match exactly what's in the state records. The borrower operates as 'Chesapeake Metal Works LLC' on all their contracts and signage, but when I check the Maryland Department of Assessments and Taxation database, I'm seeing slight variations like 'Chesapeake Metalworks, LLC' (no space) and 'Chesapeake Metal Works, L.L.C.' with periods. Our loan docs all reference the version with the space, but now I'm worried we've been using the wrong legal name this whole time. The rejection notice just says 'debtor name does not match records' but doesn't specify which version they want. Anyone dealt with Maryland's system being this picky about punctuation and spacing? This is holding up our entire closing and the borrower is getting antsy about the delay.

Maryland UCC filings are online now so at least you'll get the rejection notice quickly. In the old paper days you'd wait weeks just to find out about a name mismatch. Still frustrating but at least the turnaround is faster.

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True, the electronic system is much faster for both submissions and rejections. Usually know within a few hours if there's a problem.

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Yeah but the rejection notices are still cryptic. They need to be more specific about exactly what doesn't match.

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Update us when you figure out the correct name format! I do a lot of Maryland filings and would love to know what the issue was. These name matching problems seem to be getting worse, not better.

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Will do! I'm going to try the Certana verification tool that a couple people mentioned, and also request the certified formation docs to compare. Hopefully one of those approaches works.

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Good luck! Maryland can be tricky but once you get the exact name format down they're actually pretty efficient with processing.

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