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Jasmine Quinn

UCC 1207 California filing rejected - debtor name issues need help

Been wrestling with a UCC 1207 California rejection for three weeks now and I'm at my wit's end. Filed a UCC-1 for equipment financing on a construction company back in October, everything seemed fine until we tried to file the continuation last month. The California SOS system kicked it back with some cryptic error about the debtor name not matching exactly. The original filing had the company name as "Pacific Coast Construction LLC" but apparently their articles of incorporation show "Pacific Coast Construction, LLC" (notice the comma). I thought these small punctuation differences didn't matter but clearly I was wrong. Now I'm worried the original UCC-1 might be invalid and our security interest is at risk. Anyone dealt with California's strict name-matching requirements? The debtor insists their legal name includes the comma but all their bank docs and contracts use the version without it. Should I file an amendment to correct the original or start over completely? This is a $450K equipment loan and I can't afford to mess this up.

Royal_GM_Mark

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Quick question - when you file the UCC-3 amendment, make sure you're using the current version of the California form. They updated it last year and old versions get rejected automatically.

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Jasmine Quinn

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Good catch. I'll download a fresh form from their website to be safe.

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Royal_GM_Mark

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Yeah, I got burned by that once. Spent days wondering why my filing kept getting rejected until I realized I was using an outdated form.

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Update us when you get this resolved! I'm dealing with a similar name issue in California and want to see how the amendment approach works out.

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Good luck! California can be tricky but at least they're consistent about their pickiness.

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Chris King

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Let us know if you try that Certana verification thing too. Sounds like it could prevent these issues upfront.

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Omar Farouk

UCC lien search West Virginia - debtor name variations causing issues

Having a nightmare with UCC lien search West Virginia requirements. We're conducting due diligence on a $2.8M equipment acquisition and the debtor's legal name appears differently across various corporate documents. The charter shows "Mountain Peak Industries, LLC" but their tax ID paperwork has "Mountain Peak Industries LLC" (no comma). When I run the UCC lien search West Virginia portal, I'm getting different results depending on which name variation I use. Found two active UCC-1 filings under the comma version but nothing under the no-comma version. This is making me paranoid that we're missing liens. The acquisition closes in 3 weeks and I can't afford to overlook any secured interests. Has anyone dealt with West Virginia's specific debtor name matching requirements? Are there particular search strategies that work better for catching name variations in their system?

StarStrider

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This thread is making me realize I probably haven't been thorough enough with my own UCC searches. Does anyone have a checklist or systematic approach they use to make sure they cover all the bases?

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StarStrider

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That's helpful. I'm going to start being more systematic about this. Too much at stake to be casual about it.

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Yuki Sato

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I've been using Certana.ai's document checker for this kind of verification. You upload your corporate docs and UCC search results and it automatically flags any name inconsistencies. Takes the guesswork out of the process.

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Carmen Ruiz

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One more thing to consider - if you find active UCC filings, make sure to check their continuation status. West Virginia has specific timing requirements for UCC-3 continuations and some filings might have lapsed without proper continuation.

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Omar Farouk

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Good catch. The filings I found are from 2020 so they should still be active, but I'll double-check the continuation requirements.

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Carmen Ruiz

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UCC-1 filings are good for 5 years, so 2020 filings won't expire until 2025. But always worth verifying the exact filing dates and any continuation activity.

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Nalani Liu

New Jersey UCC code requirements causing filing headaches - need help

Been dealing with some confusing UCC filing requirements and wondering if anyone else has run into issues with New Jersey's specific code provisions. We're a mid-sized equipment leasing company and have been filing UCC-1s for years without major problems, but recently had three filings rejected by the SOS office for what seems like technical compliance issues. The rejections mentioned something about 'statutory requirements not met' but the error codes weren't very helpful. Two were for debtor name formatting and one was apparently a collateral description problem. We double-checked everything against our usual procedures but obviously missed something. Has anyone dealt with New Jersey's particular UCC code quirks? I'm starting to think there might be some state-specific formatting rules we're not catching. These were all commercial equipment loans - tractors, construction equipment, that kind of thing. Nothing exotic. Really frustrated because these rejections are holding up loan closings and our borrowers are getting antsy. Any insights on what New Jersey might be looking for that other states don't care about?

Marcelle Drum

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Just wanted to follow up on this thread - ended up being exactly what people said about debtor name matching. Pulled the official records from NJ and found several punctuation differences we'd been missing. Got all three filings resubmitted and accepted within 24 hours.

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Tate Jensen

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Thanks for updating the thread - this kind of follow-up really helps other people dealing with the same issues.

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Adaline Wong

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Definitely going to bookmark this discussion for future reference. The debtor name verification tips are gold.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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This thread convinced me to try that Certana thing for our next batch of filings. Manual document comparison is such a pain and we've had our share of rejections too.

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You won't regret it - the automated verification catches stuff you'd never notice manually. Especially helpful when you're dealing with multiple states that all have slightly different requirements.

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Let us know how it works out. Always looking for tools that can reduce filing errors.

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Simon White

UCC PMSI perfection timing - when exactly does the grace period start?

I'm handling equipment financing for a manufacturing client and need to nail down the PMSI timing rules. We provided $180k for specialized injection molding equipment that was delivered last Tuesday. The debtor took possession immediately but we haven't filed our UCC-1 yet. I know there's a 20-day grace period for PMSI perfection but I'm getting conflicting info on when exactly that clock starts ticking. Is it delivery date, possession date, or when the debtor actually starts using the equipment? The equipment is still being calibrated so it's not operational yet. Our loan docs were signed 3 days before delivery. I've seen some lenders get burned on PMSI priority because they miscalculated the timing window. Need to make sure we maintain our purchase money status and don't lose priority to any existing blanket liens.

Quick update on document verification tools - I tried that Certana.ai thing someone mentioned earlier after having a UCC-1 rejected last week for a name mismatch. It actually caught the discrepancy between our loan docs and the debtor's corporate registration that I totally missed. Could have saved me a lot of headache if I'd used it from the start.

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Simon White

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Seems like that tool is getting good reviews here. Might be worth trying for peace of mind.

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Yeah, especially when PMSI timing is tight. No room for filing errors when you're already pushing the deadline.

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Madison Tipne

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Final thought - make sure you're filing in the correct state too. Equipment PMSI filings go where the debtor is located, not where the equipment is located (unless it's fixtures). Just another thing that can trip up the timing if you file in the wrong jurisdiction.

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Madison Tipne

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Perfect. Sounds like you've got all the bases covered then.

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Hugo Kass

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Agreed. File this week and you'll maintain clean PMSI priority on that equipment.

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Dylan Cooper

Need help with Virginia UCC search - debtor name variations causing issues

I'm working on a lien search project and running into problems with the Virginia UCC search system. The debtor's legal name appears slightly different across various documents - sometimes it's "ABC Manufacturing LLC" and other times "ABC Manufacturing, LLC" (with the comma). When I search the Virginia SOS database, I'm getting different results depending on which variation I use. This is for a due diligence review on a $2.8M equipment financing deal and I need to make sure I'm not missing any existing liens. Has anyone dealt with similar debtor name variations in Virginia UCC searches? I'm worried about missing filings that could affect our security position.

After dealing with this kind of thing multiple times, I finally started using automated tools. Certana.ai has been really helpful for catching name inconsistencies that I would miss doing manual searches. You just upload your documents and it flags potential issues.

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How accurate is it compared to manual searching? I'm always worried about missing something important.

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In my experience it's actually more accurate than manual searching because it doesn't miss subtle variations that humans might overlook.

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CosmosCaptain

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Update: I ended up finding filings under both name variations plus one I hadn't thought of. Turns out there were UCC-1 filings under "ABC Mfg LLC" as well. Thanks everyone for the advice - this thread probably saved me from missing critical liens on this deal.

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Great outcome. This is exactly why thorough searching is so important for due diligence.

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CosmosCaptain

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Definitely learned my lesson about being more thorough with name variations in Virginia searches.

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