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Simon White

UCC PMSI perfection timing - when exactly does the grace period start?

I'm handling equipment financing for a manufacturing client and need to nail down the PMSI timing rules. We provided $180k for specialized injection molding equipment that was delivered last Tuesday. The debtor took possession immediately but we haven't filed our UCC-1 yet. I know there's a 20-day grace period for PMSI perfection but I'm getting conflicting info on when exactly that clock starts ticking. Is it delivery date, possession date, or when the debtor actually starts using the equipment? The equipment is still being calibrated so it's not operational yet. Our loan docs were signed 3 days before delivery. I've seen some lenders get burned on PMSI priority because they miscalculated the timing window. Need to make sure we maintain our purchase money status and don't lose priority to any existing blanket liens.

Quick update on document verification tools - I tried that Certana.ai thing someone mentioned earlier after having a UCC-1 rejected last week for a name mismatch. It actually caught the discrepancy between our loan docs and the debtor's corporate registration that I totally missed. Could have saved me a lot of headache if I'd used it from the start.

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Simon White

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Seems like that tool is getting good reviews here. Might be worth trying for peace of mind.

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Yeah, especially when PMSI timing is tight. No room for filing errors when you're already pushing the deadline.

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Madison Tipne

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Final thought - make sure you're filing in the correct state too. Equipment PMSI filings go where the debtor is located, not where the equipment is located (unless it's fixtures). Just another thing that can trip up the timing if you file in the wrong jurisdiction.

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Madison Tipne

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Perfect. Sounds like you've got all the bases covered then.

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Hugo Kass

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Agreed. File this week and you'll maintain clean PMSI priority on that equipment.

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Omar Farouk

UCC lien search West Virginia - debtor name variations causing issues

Having a nightmare with UCC lien search West Virginia requirements. We're conducting due diligence on a $2.8M equipment acquisition and the debtor's legal name appears differently across various corporate documents. The charter shows "Mountain Peak Industries, LLC" but their tax ID paperwork has "Mountain Peak Industries LLC" (no comma). When I run the UCC lien search West Virginia portal, I'm getting different results depending on which name variation I use. Found two active UCC-1 filings under the comma version but nothing under the no-comma version. This is making me paranoid that we're missing liens. The acquisition closes in 3 weeks and I can't afford to overlook any secured interests. Has anyone dealt with West Virginia's specific debtor name matching requirements? Are there particular search strategies that work better for catching name variations in their system?

StarStrider

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This thread is making me realize I probably haven't been thorough enough with my own UCC searches. Does anyone have a checklist or systematic approach they use to make sure they cover all the bases?

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StarStrider

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That's helpful. I'm going to start being more systematic about this. Too much at stake to be casual about it.

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Yuki Sato

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I've been using Certana.ai's document checker for this kind of verification. You upload your corporate docs and UCC search results and it automatically flags any name inconsistencies. Takes the guesswork out of the process.

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Carmen Ruiz

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One more thing to consider - if you find active UCC filings, make sure to check their continuation status. West Virginia has specific timing requirements for UCC-3 continuations and some filings might have lapsed without proper continuation.

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Omar Farouk

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Good catch. The filings I found are from 2020 so they should still be active, but I'll double-check the continuation requirements.

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Carmen Ruiz

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UCC-1 filings are good for 5 years, so 2020 filings won't expire until 2025. But always worth verifying the exact filing dates and any continuation activity.

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Mason Davis

UCC statement request form CT - debtor name mismatch causing delays

Been trying to get a UCC information statement through Connecticut's system for the past three weeks and hitting walls everywhere. Our borrower's legal name on their articles of incorporation shows "ABC Manufacturing Solutions, LLC" but the UCC-1 we filed last year apparently used "ABC Manufacturing Solutions LLC" (no comma). Now when I submit the statement request form, it keeps getting rejected because the debtor name doesn't match exactly what's in their system. The rejection notice just says "debtor name verification failed" with no other details. This is for a $480,000 equipment loan that's coming up for renewal and we need to verify our lien position before the bank will approve the extension. Has anyone dealt with Connecticut's quirky name-matching requirements? I've tried variations with and without punctuation, different spacing, but nothing seems to work. Starting to wonder if there's something wrong with how the original UCC-1 was indexed in their system.

Michael Adams

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Had this EXACT problem with Connecticut last month. Turned out their system had a character limit that was cutting off part of our debtor name, but the rejection notice didn't mention that. Only found out when I called and they looked it up manually. You might want to check if your company name is getting truncated somehow.

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Michael Adams

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Yeah, that could definitely be the issue. Connecticut's system has some weird technical limitations that aren't well documented.

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Natalie Wang

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This is why I always run document consistency checks before submitting anything important. Tools like Certana.ai would catch truncation issues by comparing your UCC against the articles side by side.

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Noah Torres

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Update us when you get this resolved! I'm dealing with a similar situation in Connecticut and curious how it turns out. Their UCC system really needs an overhaul.

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Mason Davis

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Will definitely post an update once I get through to someone who can help. This whole experience has been incredibly frustrating.

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Samantha Hall

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Same here, following this thread. Connecticut seems to have more UCC issues than other states I deal with.

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Emma Morales

UCC line of credit filing - debtor name changes affecting continuation

I'm dealing with a tricky situation on a revolving credit facility we've had in place for about 4 years. The original UCC-1 was filed back in 2021 under the borrower's legal name at the time, but they've since had a corporate name change (merger situation). Now we're coming up on the 5-year continuation deadline and I'm worried about the debtor name mismatch. The line of credit has been actively used throughout this period with multiple advances and paydowns. Should I file the UCC-3 continuation using the original debtor name from the UCC-1, or do I need to address the name change first? I've seen conflicting advice about whether a continuation can be rejected if the current legal entity name doesn't match what's on the original filing. This is a significant credit facility and I can't afford to have the perfection lapse due to a technicality.

The whole UCC system is such a mess. Why can't they just modernize it so name changes are handled automatically when you update corporate records? Every other filing system has figured this out.

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Because it's administered by 50+ different jurisdictions with different systems and priorities. Good luck getting them all to coordinate.

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True, but it's 2025. This should be solved by now.

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Rhett Bowman

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Update for anyone following this thread - I went ahead and filed a combined UCC-3 amendment/continuation addressing the debtor name change. Used one of those document verification tools mentioned earlier to double-check everything before filing. Got confirmation of acceptance within 2 hours. Thanks everyone for the advice!

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Great outcome! Smart move using the verification tool first.

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Glad the Certana.ai tool worked out for you too. It's been a lifesaver for catching these issues before they become problems.

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Cynthia Love

UCC search showing confusing results - need help interpreting what I found

Running into some confusion with a UCC search I just completed and hoping someone can help me make sense of what I'm seeing. I'm working on due diligence for a potential equipment purchase and the search results are showing multiple filings that don't seem to match up properly. There's a UCC-1 from 2019 that lists the debtor as 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' but then I see a UCC-3 continuation from last year that shows 'A.B.C. Manufacturing, LLC' with periods and a comma. The filing numbers reference each other but the debtor names are slightly different. Is this normal variation or should I be concerned about the name discrepancies? Also seeing what looks like a partial termination but I can't tell if it affects the collateral I'm interested in. The original collateral description mentions 'all equipment' but the partial termination just lists specific serial numbers. Does this mean some equipment is still encumbered? I've done plenty of asset searches before but these inconsistencies have me second-guessing everything. Any guidance on how to interpret these mixed signals would be really appreciated.

Mason Lopez

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This thread is making me realize I probably haven't been thorough enough in my own UCC due diligence. I usually just do a basic search and call it good, but sounds like there are a lot of potential pitfalls I'm not considering.

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Gemma Andrews

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It's definitely worth being more thorough, especially on bigger deals. The cost of additional due diligence is usually minimal compared to the potential problems you can avoid.

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Mason Lopez

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Yeah, good point. Better to over-investigate than to miss something important and have it bite you later.

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Vera Visnjic

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Update - I ran the search again using the alternate name format and found two additional UCC-1 filings I missed the first time. Now I'm even more confused because it looks like there might be multiple secured parties with overlapping collateral descriptions. This is turning into a much bigger project than I anticipated.

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Demi Hall

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Definitely need to map out all the secured parties and their respective collateral before proceeding. This sounds like it could be a real mess to untangle.

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Kara Yoshida

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Maybe time to bring in professional help? This is starting to sound like it's beyond DIY due diligence territory.

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