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Lily Young

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One more thought - make sure you have good documentation of the filing timestamp and any communications with the state office about processing delays. Bankruptcy courts like to see a clear timeline of events. Your filing receipt should show the exact time and date of submission, which establishes your 9-308(e) perfection moment.

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Electronic confirmations are usually bulletproof for establishing filing dates. Much better than the old paper filing days.

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Lily Young

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Agreed. Electronic systems make 9-308(e) timing issues much cleaner to prove in court.

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Just wanted to follow up on this thread since I've handled several 9-308(e) perfection timing disputes. The consensus here is absolutely correct - your Tuesday filing date controls for perfection purposes, not when the state office processed it. I've seen bankruptcy trustees make this exact argument dozens of times and they virtually never succeed unless there were actual substantive errors in the original filing. The two-day processing delay is irrelevant under 9-308(e). Your $850K equipment financing should be secure as long as your UCC-1 was complete and accurate when submitted. Courts consistently interpret "when all applicable requirements are satisfied" to mean the moment of proper filing, not administrative processing. Keep your filing receipt and timestamp - that's your proof of perfection date.

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Amina Sy

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Bottom line - you need to get legal counsel involved ASAP if you haven't already. Fraud cases involving secured transactions require specialized expertise and the stakes are too high to handle this yourself. The interplay between UCC law, fraud principles, and state-specific variations is complex enough that you really need professional guidance.

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AstroExplorer

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We do have counsel involved but I wanted to get some practical insights from others who might have dealt with similar situations. This forum has been really helpful for understanding the various issues I should be discussing with our attorney.

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That's smart. Forums like this can help you ask better questions and understand the range of possible outcomes. Just make sure any decisions get vetted through your legal team.

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Ally Tailer

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This is a really complex situation that highlights how fraud can create unexpected vulnerabilities even for properly perfected secured parties. Based on the discussion here, it seems like your good faith reliance on legitimate-appearing documentation is your strongest defense. One thing I'd add is to make sure you're documenting the current condition and location of the equipment - if this turns into a three-way dispute between you, the borrower, and the original seller, having clear evidence of the collateral's status could be important. Also, consider whether your loan agreement has any representations or warranties from the borrower about clear title that might give you additional recourse against them personally, even if the equipment becomes unavailable. The 70% recovery that Paolo mentioned shows these situations can sometimes be resolved through negotiation rather than litigation, which might be worth exploring given the costs and uncertainty of court proceedings.

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Update us on how this resolves! I'm dealing with a similar situation with deposit account control and curious whether you get the banks to cooperate or end up having to restructure the deal.

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Chris Elmeda

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Good luck! Bank legal teams usually understand UCC requirements much better than the commercial side.

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Jean Claude

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Keep us posted - these deposit account control issues seem to be getting more common and it would be helpful to know what works.

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I've seen this exact scenario play out multiple times, and the key is persistence with the right people at each bank. Most commercial bankers don't understand the difference between their standard account control language and what's actually required for UCC 9-104 control. You need to get to someone who understands that the control agreement must give you the unilateral right to direct disposition of funds without any further consent from the debtor. I'd recommend preparing a side-by-side comparison showing their standard language versus the required 9-104 provisions - it makes the gaps crystal clear. Also, don't accept any agreement that has carve-outs or exceptions that would require debtor consent for fund transfers. With a $2.8M facility, you can't afford to have control that's only theoretical.

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Cynthia Love

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This is really helpful - the side-by-side comparison idea is brilliant. I've been struggling to explain to banks why their forms don't work, but showing them visually what's missing would probably be much more effective. Do you have a template for that kind of comparison, or do you just create it case by case? With multiple banks involved like Jasmine's situation, having a standard format could save a lot of time.

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Chloe Taylor

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One last tip - if you find any UCC filings that concern you, don't hesitate to reach out to the secured party directly. Sometimes the collateral descriptions are broader than they need to be and you can get clarity on what's actually covered.

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Diego Flores

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Good advice. I've had secured parties clarify that certain assets weren't actually intended to be covered by overly broad collateral descriptions.

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Just make sure any clarifications are documented in writing. Verbal assurances don't help much if issues come up later.

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Ethan Moore

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This thread is incredibly helpful! I'm actually working on my first acquisition deal (much smaller scale) and had no idea about the county fixture filing requirements or the Oklahoma Corporation Commission searches for oil and gas operations. The checklist approach seems smart - I was just planning to do the basic SOS search but clearly that's not nearly comprehensive enough. Question: for those using search companies, what's the typical turnaround time and cost range for a thorough Oklahoma UCC search including all these additional databases?

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Jessica Nolan

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For future reference, keep a backup plan for critical searches. I maintain a spreadsheet with all our frequent debtors and their recent search dates. When the portal is down, at least I know how current my last search was and can assess the risk of proceeding without a fresh search.

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That's where Certana's comparison feature really shines - you can upload your old search results and new ones to verify consistency.

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Going to implement this tracking system. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Jean Claude

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For immediate relief on your $2.8M deal, I'd recommend trying the Michigan Business Portal (https://cofs.lara.state.mi.us) as an alternative entry point - sometimes when the main UCC search portal is down, you can still access searches through the business entity lookup section. Also, consider reaching out to title companies in your area who might have direct API access to the database. We've had luck with First American and Old Republic when we're in a pinch. They can often run searches same-day even when the public portal is having issues. Just make sure to factor the additional cost into your closing expenses.

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