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Nia Wilson

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Just to add one more perspective - if this is SBA financing, they have specific requirements about UCC filings that might influence your decision. SBA typically requires UCC-1 filings for all personal property collateral regardless of how it might be classified by state law. Worth checking if SBA is involved in your deal.

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Good catch on the SBA angle. Their requirements can override some of the state law analysis.

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Aisha Hussain

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SBA also has specific collateral description requirements that can be pretty detailed. Definitely worth checking their guidelines.

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Callum Savage

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This is a great discussion - I'm dealing with something similar on a manufacturing deal right now. One thing I'd add is to consider the priority implications too. UCC-1 filings generally give you priority from the filing date, while fixture filings can sometimes relate back to construction financing if there's a fixture filing on record. Also, don't forget about purchase money security interests - if any of this equipment was recently acquired with financing, you might have PMSI priority that affects your filing strategy. The key is making sure your security agreement clearly identifies which collateral is being treated as fixtures versus personal property so there's no ambiguity later.

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Great point about PMSI priority! That's something that often gets overlooked in these complex collateral discussions. The timing of equipment acquisition and financing can really impact your filing strategy. For recently purchased equipment, the PMSI grace period might give you priority even over earlier filed security interests, but you have to get the filings right within the statutory timeframe.

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Liam Sullivan

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Quick follow-up question - does anyone know if experimental aircraft follow the same UCC rules? I have a client with a kit-built plane that doesn't have standard registration.

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Amara Okafor

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Experimental aircraft still get N-numbers from the FAA, so UCC filing should be similar. The airworthiness certificate is different but that shouldn't affect your security interest.

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Kit planes can be tricky for valuation and insurance but the UCC perfection is straightforward if it has proper FAA registration.

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NebulaNomad

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Great discussion here! I've handled several aircraft UCC filings and want to emphasize the importance of getting both the collateral description AND the debtor name exactly right. For a $285K Cessna deal, I'd recommend: 1) Use the exact N-number from the FAA registry, 2) Include make, model, year, and aircraft serial number, 3) Triple-check the LLC name matches state records exactly (including punctuation), 4) Don't forget the parallel FAA security interest filing in Oklahoma City, and 5) Set up your continuation reminder system immediately. The dual filing requirement trips up a lot of people - you need both UCC perfection AND FAA registration to be fully protected. Also consider doing a comprehensive UCC search first to identify any existing liens that need to be satisfied or subordinated.

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Ava Martinez

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This is such a helpful summary! As someone new to aircraft financing, I'm curious about the timeline coordination between UCC and FAA filings. Should they be done simultaneously or is there a preferred sequence? Also, when you mention "comprehensive UCC search," are you looking at both the debtor's current state and the aircraft's physical location state, or just where the debtor is organized?

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Olivia Clark

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Thanks everyone for all the advice. I'm definitely filing the continuation this week. This thread has been incredibly helpful and I feel much more confident about the process now. Going to also look into setting up those automatic reminders to avoid this panic situation in the future!

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Good luck with the filing! You've got this. Just double-check all the details before submitting and you should be fine.

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Let us know how it goes. Always good to hear success stories for others who might be in similar situations.

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Emma Anderson

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Just want to echo what others have said about not waiting any longer - you're absolutely right to be concerned about losing your secured position on $180K. I've seen too many lenders get burned by UCC lapses. One thing I'd add is to make sure you're filing in the correct jurisdiction. If your borrower moved their chief executive office to a different state since 2020, you might need to file the continuation in the new state rather than where you originally filed. Also, since you mentioned the equipment has been upgraded, consider whether you need to broaden your collateral description to cover "all equipment" rather than specific serial numbers. This gives you better coverage if they continue to upgrade or replace machinery. Get that UCC-3 filed ASAP and sleep better at night!

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This is excellent advice about jurisdiction and collateral description! As someone new to UCC filings, I hadn't considered that the borrower's location change could affect where the continuation needs to be filed. The point about broadening the collateral description to "all equipment" instead of specific serial numbers is really smart too - gives much better coverage for businesses that regularly upgrade their machinery. Thanks for sharing this insight, it's exactly the kind of practical wisdom that helps avoid costly mistakes!

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Great point about the jurisdiction issue! I've seen this trip up lenders who don't realize their borrower relocated their principal place of business. @Emma Anderson - do you know if there s'a specific timeframe after a borrower moves where you need to refile in the new state? I m'dealing with a similar situation where our borrower moved from Delaware to Texas last year and I m'not sure if our Delaware filing is still valid or if we need to file a new UCC-1 in Texas.

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Avery Saint

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Update us when you get the certified copy! Always curious how smooth these processes actually are in practice vs what the state websites promise.

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Lucy Lam

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Will do! Hopefully it's as straightforward as everyone says.

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Taylor Chen

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Delaware usually delivers on their promises. Much better than trying to get records from some other states I could mention...

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Jamal Carter

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Just went through this exact same process last month in Delaware! The online portal is actually really user-friendly once you find it. One tip - when you're entering the filing number, make sure you include any leading zeros if they're shown on your printout. The system can be picky about the exact format. Also, if you're ordering multiple certified copies (which might be smart if you have other lenders or need extras for your files), there's usually a bulk discount. Took about 4 business days to get mine delivered via regular mail.

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That's really helpful about the leading zeros! I wouldn't have thought of that. Quick question - did you notice any differences between what the state had on file versus what your original lender's records showed? I'm a bit worried there might be discrepancies since our bank couldn't even find their original copy.

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@Oliver Zimmermann Great question! In my case, everything matched up perfectly between the state records and what our lender had. But I ve'heard stories where there were small differences - sometimes it s'just formatting like (how dates are displayed or) minor typos that happened during the original filing. The state record is always the official version, so if there are discrepancies, that s'what matters legally. Since your bank lost their copy, you might want to compare the certified copy you get with that printout they gave you, just to make sure everything aligns before you submit to your new lender.

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Ava Williams

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For your $2.8M manufacturing facility, you'll want to be comprehensive but precise. Based on what you've described, your main categories should be: (1) Equipment - all machinery, tools, vehicles, computer hardware, furniture; (2) Inventory - raw materials, work-in-progress, finished goods; (3) Accounts - all accounts receivable, payment intangibles; (4) General intangibles - IP, software licenses, customer lists, goodwill, contract rights; (5) Deposit accounts - all bank accounts; (6) Investment property if applicable. Don't forget to add "and all proceeds and products thereof" to each category. Given the loan size, I'd strongly recommend having an experienced UCC attorney review your collateral descriptions before filing - the cost of getting it wrong far exceeds the review fee.

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Sean O'Brien

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive breakdown I needed! Thank you @Ava Williams. The systematic approach to categorizing each asset type makes a lot more sense than trying to figure it out piecemeal. I'm definitely going to get legal review given the loan size - better safe than sorry with this much money on the line. One quick follow-up: do you typically use the same "and all proceeds and products thereof" language for deposit accounts, or is that mainly for the other categories?

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@Sean O'Brien Good question on the proceeds language! For deposit accounts, you typically don't need "proceeds and products thereof" since deposit accounts don't generate proceeds in the same way inventory or equipment would. The deposit account IS the proceeds in most cases. However, you might want to include "and all cash, checks, and other items deposited therein" to be thorough. The proceeds language is most critical for inventory, accounts receivable, and equipment where the collateral turns over or gets sold. For investment property, you'd want to cover "proceeds and products" to capture dividends, interest, and sale proceeds from securities.

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Mateo Lopez

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As someone new to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm working on my first major secured transaction and was getting overwhelmed by all the different asset categories. The systematic breakdown from @Ava Williams really clarifies things - I had no idea about the distinction between chattel paper and general intangibles, or that investment property needs control agreements beyond just the UCC-1 filing. One thing I'm still confused about: if a manufacturing company has both raw materials AND finished goods, do those get listed as separate line items in the collateral description, or can you just say "all inventory" and have it cover both? Also seeing multiple mentions of Certana.ai's document checker - is that something most firms are using now for UCC verification?

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