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Brian Downey

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Final thought - double check that your UCC-3 termination forms are using the most current version. States sometimes update forms and old versions can cause processing issues.

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Jacinda Yu

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Hope you get it sorted out. UCC terminations should be straightforward but there are definitely gotchas that can trip you up.

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Let us know what ends up fixing the issue - always helpful to know what worked for future reference.

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This is a really comprehensive thread with lots of good troubleshooting ideas. As someone new to UCC filings, I'm wondering - is there a standard checklist or best practices document for ensuring terminations process correctly? It sounds like there are multiple potential failure points (name matching, filing numbers, form versions, secured party changes, etc.) and it would be helpful to have a systematic approach to avoid these issues from the start.

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Lola Perez

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Bottom line for Florida: 5 years, file continuation within 6 months before expiration, make sure debtor names match exactly, and don't procrastinate. Set a calendar reminder for at least 6 months before your expiration date so you don't forget.

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Perfect summary, thanks everyone. I'll set my reminder for 6 months out and start preparing the continuation paperwork early.

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Smart move. Better to be over-prepared than scrambling at the last minute.

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PaulineW

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Great thread everyone! As someone who's been handling UCC filings for commercial lenders for over a decade, I want to emphasize one additional point that often gets overlooked. When you file your UCC-3 continuation statement, make sure you're using the correct filing number from your original UCC-1. I've seen situations where people accidentally use an amendment number instead of the base filing number, which can cause the continuation to be rejected or not properly linked to the original filing. Also, keep detailed records of all your UCC-related filings - not just the initial one. This becomes crucial if you ever need to demonstrate an unbroken chain of perfection, especially in bankruptcy situations where trustees might challenge your security interest. The Florida system is pretty reliable, but having your own backup documentation has saved me multiple times when system records were incomplete or unclear.

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This is excellent advice about the filing numbers! I'm new to handling secured transactions and hadn't thought about the documentation chain aspect. Quick question - when you mention keeping backup documentation, are you talking about just the state-issued receipts or should I be maintaining copies of the actual filed documents too? And is there a recommended way to organize these records for easy retrieval later?

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This thread is making me paranoid about our PMSI procedures. Going to audit all our recent equipment financings to make sure we didn't miss any deadlines. Better safe than sorry when the priority consequences are this severe.

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Zoe Gonzalez

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That's exactly what Certana.ai is good for - you can batch upload a bunch of filings and loan docs to spot-check for consistency issues and timing problems.

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Definitely going to look into that. Manual review of dozens of files sounds painful.

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Marcelle Drum

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This is a painful but valuable lesson for all of us in equipment financing. The 20-day PMSI deadline is absolutely rigid - courts won't give you any wiggle room even if you're just a day late. I've seen too many lenders get burned by treating PMSI filings like regular secured transactions. The super-priority protection is incredible when you get it right, but the consequences of missing the deadline are brutal. For anyone reading this, consider implementing a delivery notification requirement in your loan agreements and file your UCC-1 within 10 days of funding to give yourself a buffer. The PMSI rules are designed to reward diligent lenders, not forgiving ones.

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Norman Fraser

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The bottom line is that if these UCC Article 3 discharge methods actually worked, banks would have changed their procedures long ago to prevent them. The fact that major financial institutions continue normal operations should tell you everything you need to know about the validity of these theories.

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Kendrick Webb

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Exactly. Banks employ armies of lawyers specifically to prevent legitimate challenges to their collection methods. These schemes wouldn't survive five minutes if they had any legal merit.

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Hattie Carson

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Plus, the federal banking regulators would have issued guidance about these methods if they were legitimate. The silence from official sources speaks volumes.

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share a cautionary tale. My cousin got caught up in one of these UCC Article 3 schemes about three years ago in Dallas. He ended up not only losing the $3,000 he paid for the "course materials" but also faced a federal investigation when he tried to file multiple bogus discharge documents. The stress nearly destroyed his marriage, and he's still dealing with the financial fallout. What really got to him was realizing that the people selling these courses knew they were fake but kept taking money from desperate homeowners anyway. If you're having mortgage troubles, please reach out to legitimate HUD-approved housing counselors - they offer free advice and can help you explore real options like loan modifications or refinancing programs.

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Thank you for sharing your cousin's experience - that's exactly the kind of real-world consequence that people need to hear about. It's heartbreaking that these scammers target people who are already struggling financially. The fact that he's still dealing with the aftermath years later really drives home how these schemes can make a bad situation so much worse. I'm glad you mentioned the HUD-approved counselors - those are legitimate resources that actually help people rather than exploit them.

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Ruby Garcia

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Wow, there's so much more to this than I realized. Are there any good resources for learning more about UCC filing requirements? I feel like I need to understand this stuff inside and out.

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Natalie Chen

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Don't forget about practical experience too. Start reviewing your company's existing UCC filings and loan files. See how they structure collateral descriptions and handle different types of loans. Nothing beats hands-on learning.

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Thanks everyone, this has been incredibly helpful! I feel much more confident about starting to work with these filings now.

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One thing I'd add for Maria and other newcomers - don't underestimate the importance of search reports before filing. Running a UCC search on your borrower helps you see what other liens are already out there and where you'll stand in the priority chain. It's also smart to do a final search right before closing to make sure no surprise filings popped up. I've seen deals where lenders assumed they'd be in first position only to discover a surprise tax lien or another creditor filed between the initial search and closing.

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