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Brian Downey

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This thread is super helpful. I've got a motor vehicle collateral filing coming up next week and I was planning to use generic language. Definitely going to be more specific now.

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Shelby Bauman

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Smart move. Better to be overly specific than deal with rejection notices.

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Brian Downey

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Exactly. The document verification tool sounds like a good safety net too.

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Connor Byrne

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I've been dealing with similar motor vehicle collateral rejections lately. One thing that's helped me is adding "and all attachments, accessories, parts, and proceeds thereof" to the end of the collateral description. The filing offices seem to want that level of detail now. Also, if you're working with a trucking company, consider whether you need to include "cargo trailers" separately from "semi-trailers" - I've seen rejections where the clerk thought those were different categories. The specificity requirements are definitely getting stricter across most states.

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Update: I successfully completed my UCC-3 continuation through the California portal this morning. The process was actually pretty straightforward once I had all my original filing information ready. Thanks everyone for the guidance!

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Glad to hear it worked out! That gives me confidence going into my filing next week.

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Just make sure you double-check everything before submitting. The review screen shows you exactly what will be filed, so take your time with that step.

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CosmicCaptain

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Thanks for all the helpful responses everyone! Just to summarize what I'm understanding: California no longer offers downloadable UCC-3 PDFs, I need to use bizfileonline.sos.ca.gov, the fee is now $25, and I should gather all my original filing info before starting. One follow-up question - does the online system allow you to save your progress if you need to step away and come back later, or do you need to complete it in one session?

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Just went through this process myself. Took about 6 weeks to get all the amendments filed and accepted. Started with the largest loan amounts first in case there were any issues. The key is being super careful with the debtor names - they have to match exactly or the amendment links to the wrong filing.

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About 8 out of 180 got rejected, mostly for small typos in debtor names or using the wrong filing number format for that state's system.

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Natalie Wang

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That's actually a pretty good success rate! I was expecting worse.

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Thanks everyone for the detailed advice! This is exactly what I needed to hear. Sounds like amendments are definitely the way to go to maintain our priority dates. I'm leaning toward hiring a service company for at least the bulk of these - 200 amendments across multiple states is more than I initially realized. Does anyone have recommendations for UCC service providers who specialize in bulk secured party name changes? Also, should I prioritize certain states first, or does it matter as long as I get them all done before the original filings expire?

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Thais Soares

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I'd also recommend CSC (Corporation Service Company) for bulk UCC work - they have a really good online portal that lets you track the status of all your amendments in real time. For prioritization, definitely focus on states with shorter UCC filing terms first (like some states that still have 5-year terms vs the standard 5 years). Also check if any of your filings are coming up for continuation - you don't want to deal with both a name change amendment AND a continuation filing at the same time. That gets messy fast.

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Yara Sayegh

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Sebastian, one thing I'd add - make sure to budget extra time and money for rejected amendments. Even with a good service provider, you'll probably have 5-10% that need to be refiled due to small formatting issues or state-specific requirements. I always plan for at least one round of corrections when doing bulk amendments. Also, consider whether your new entity name will require any "doing business as" registrations in states where you're filing - some Secretary of State offices are getting pickier about that for out-of-state secured parties.

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File complaints with your state's consumer protection agency and the Better Business Bureau. Solar companies hate negative publicity and regulatory attention. Often a complaint filing will get you escalated to someone who can actually solve the problem instead of the customer service runaround.

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Payton Black

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BBB complaints work surprisingly well for these types of issues. Companies usually respond within a few days to avoid damage to their rating.

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Harold Oh

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I'd also file with the CFPB if it's a larger solar financing company. They take UCC lien issues seriously since they affect credit and property rights.

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PrinceJoe

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I work in commercial lending and see this issue frequently. While you're pursuing the solar company, also contact your title company to ask if they can work with a "payoff affidavit" or similar documentation to proceed with your refinancing. Some underwriters will accept proof of satisfaction (your payoff letter, bank records showing payment) along with an affidavit stating the lien should have been terminated. This might allow you to close your refi while simultaneously pursuing the proper UCC-3 filing. The title company may also be willing to hold funds in escrow until the termination is properly filed, rather than killing your entire loan application.

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Alice Coleman

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This is excellent advice! I hadn't thought about asking the title company for alternative solutions. The payoff affidavit approach sounds like it could get my refi moving while I'm still fighting the solar company. I'll call my loan officer first thing Monday to see if their underwriter would accept this type of documentation. Thanks for the practical workaround suggestion!

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Peyton Clarke

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That's a really smart approach I hadn't considered. I'm dealing with a similar UCC termination issue and my title company just flat out said no refinancing until the lien is cleared. I'm going to ask them about the payoff affidavit option - having the loan proceed with escrow funds held for the termination filing could save weeks of delays. Do you know if most underwriters are familiar with this type of arrangement, or is it something the title company would need to specifically request?

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Logan Scott

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Make sure you keep copies of everything including the exact form version you used. If there are ever any questions later about the filing, you'll want to be able to show exactly what was submitted. I keep both electronic and paper copies of all UCC filings for my clients.

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Noah Lee

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Thanks everyone for all the help. I feel much more confident about getting this filing done correctly now. Going to download the current form from the CA SOS site and double-check everything before submitting.

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Ava Hernandez

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Good luck with your filing! Remember to verify that debtor name against the official records and you should be fine. California's system is pretty user-friendly once you have all the right information.

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Yara Khoury

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Just wanted to add one more tip from my experience - when you're describing manufacturing equipment in the collateral section, consider using broader language like "all manufacturing equipment now owned or hereafter acquired" if your lender agrees. This can provide better coverage if you add equipment later without needing to file amendments. Also, if any of your equipment has existing liens or lease obligations, make sure to coordinate with those lenders to avoid conflicts. California's UCC search system makes it easy to check for existing filings before you submit yours.

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Cynthia Love

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That's excellent advice about the broader collateral description language! I hadn't thought about future equipment acquisitions. Quick question - if I use language like "all manufacturing equipment now owned or hereafter acquired," does that automatically cover equipment purchased after the UCC1 filing date, or do I need to file an amendment when new equipment is added? Also, how do I check for existing liens on the equipment through California's search system?

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