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Ethan Clark

Confused about FAFSA dependency status for 18-year-old with deceased mother and absent father

I'm helping my cousin fill out her FAFSA for 2025-2026 and we're stuck on the dependency questions. She just turned 19 and her situation changed dramatically since last year's application. Her mom died in February, and her dad hasn't been in the picture for years (no contact, no child support, nothing). Last year's FAFSA was simple because her mom was still alive and could provide all the information. Now we're at this question about being an 'orphan, ward of court, or in legal guardianship' and I'm completely lost. She's living with our aunt temporarily, but there was never any formal guardianship established since she was already 18 when her mom passed. The aunt has legal custody of her younger brother (16) but that was done through courts in Nevada where they used to live. I know she qualifies as independent due to her parent situation, but which option should she select on this specific question? There's no option for 'both parents deceased/absent but no formal guardianship' that I can see. 'None of the above' is available but I'm worried that might affect her independent status. Any guidance would be really appreciated!

First, I'm sorry for your cousin's loss. For FAFSA purposes, your cousin would qualify as independent simply because both parents are deceased/absent. On that specific question, she should select 'None of the above' because she is not technically an orphan in the FAFSA definition (which is for people under 18), not a ward of the court, and not under legal guardianship. Her independent status is established separately. She'll need to gather documentation of her mother's death (death certificate) and possibly an official statement regarding her father's absence. The financial aid office will likely require a 'dependency override' form and supporting documentation. This process varies by school, but is fairly standard for cases like hers.

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Thank you so much! That's a huge relief. I was worried selecting 'None of the above' would somehow disqualify her from independent status. We have her mom's death certificate, but what kind of documentation would work for her absent father? There's literally no contact information for him.

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My son had kinda the same situation last yr except his dad died when he was 12 and mom isnt involved. we checked 'none of the above' on that question to and it worked fine. they did make him get a letter from his HS counselor saying he wasnt in touch w/ his mom tho

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That's helpful to know! I'll suggest she gets a letter from her former high school counselor. She graduated last year but I'm sure they'd still help with this.

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Financial aid advisor here. Your cousin is indeed considered independent for FAFSA purposes based on having both parents deceased/absent. The question about orphan/ward of court/legal guardianship is actually designed for students under 18, which is why it feels confusing in her situation. For the 2025-2026 FAFSA, she should: 1. Select 'None of the above' for that specific question 2. Later in the application, she'll indicate that she's unable to provide parental information 3. The FAFSA will calculate her SAI (Student Aid Index) based solely on her information Documentation she should prepare: - Mother's death certificate - A statement explaining father's absence (signed by someone who knows the situation - counselor, social worker, etc.) - Any legal documents showing attempts to locate father (if they exist) Once the FAFSA is submitted, she should contact each school's financial aid office to confirm they have everything they need. Some may request additional documentation for a dependency override, though with a deceased parent and absent parent, the process is usually straightforward.

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wait so both parents have to be dead/missing to be independent? what if just one is deceased and the other just doesnt help with college?

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Great question. Having one deceased parent and one living parent who refuses to support financially doesn't automatically make a student independent. In that case, the student would still be considered dependent, and the living parent's information would be required on the FAFSA. However, if the student has no contact with the living parent and cannot obtain their financial information, they can request a dependency override from their school's financial aid office. This is handled case-by-case and requires documentation.

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OMG the FAFSA is RIDICULOUS with these questions!! I've been trying to help my sister with her application and we spent HOURS going back and forth with similar issues. The whole system seems designed to catch people in weird technicalities that make no sense in real life. Your cousin clearly doesn't have parents who can contribute, yet they make you jump through all these hoops to prove it. Makes me so angry how they treat students who are already dealing with difficult situations. Seriously, who created these questions??

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I know, right? The questions really don't seem to account for all the different family situations that exist. It's frustrating that we have to try to fit complex situations into these limited categories.

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Hey, I went through this exact situation 2 years ago. The key is to check 'none of the above' for that specific question, but then later in the application, there's a place to indicate you can't provide parent info. BTW, when I tried calling the Federal Student Aid helpline to confirm this, I was on hold for literally 3+ hours and got disconnected twice. I finally used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to someone. They have this system that holds your place in line and calls you back when an agent is ready. Saved me hours of frustration - check out their demo video: https://youtu.be/TbC8dZQWYNQ The FSA agent confirmed everything the others here are saying - your cousin is definitely independent, but that specific question is looking for something else. Make sure she has her mom's death certificate and a statement about her dad's absence!

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The agent wasn't able to officially process anything over the phone, but they did tell me what documents to prepare. For my situation, they wanted my mom's death certificate, a personal statement explaining my dad's absence, and a letter from a third party (I used my high school counselor) confirming my situation. Each school might ask for slightly different things though.

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I was in almost this exact situation last year! I'm 20 now, but when I was filling out my first FAFSA after my mom passed, I got super confused too. Select 'None of the above' and you'll be fine. But here's what happened to me: after I submitted the application, I got an email requesting verification. It was super stressful! I had to send in my mom's death certificate and write a statement about my dad (haven't seen him since I was 8). Oh and important - make sure your cousin knows her financial aid package might be delayed while they process everything. Mine took an extra 3 weeks compared to my friends. Have her talk to her school's financial aid office ASAP so they know the situation and can help her through it.

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That's really helpful to know about the potential delay. I'll make sure to warn her to start the application early to account for that. Did you find that your SAI score and financial aid package were fair once everything was processed?

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Yeah, I actually ended up with a really good aid package! My SAI was calculated just based on my own income (which was practically nothing as a student). I qualified for the full Pell Grant amount and got some institutional aid too. The verification process was stressful but totally worth it in the end.

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will she have to do all this paperwork every year or just once?

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Great question. For most schools, once a dependency override is established, it carries forward to future years. However, she may need to provide a brief update confirming her situation hasn't changed each year. The school's financial aid office will have a simpler process for returning students who previously received an override. With the simplified FAFSA for 2025-2026, the process should be more streamlined, but it's always a good idea to check with each individual school's financial aid office about their specific requirements.

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I'm so sorry for your cousin's loss. This is such a difficult situation to navigate while dealing with grief. Everyone here has given excellent advice about selecting 'None of the above' for that specific question - that's definitely the right approach. One thing I'd add is to make sure your cousin keeps copies of ALL documentation she submits. I helped my nephew through a similar process and having backup copies saved us when one school's financial aid office lost his paperwork. Also, if she's applying to multiple schools, each one might have slightly different requirements for the dependency override documentation, so don't be surprised if she needs to provide additional statements or forms for different colleges. The most important thing is to stay organized and communicate proactively with each school's financial aid office. They're usually very understanding about these situations and want to help students get the aid they need. Your cousin is lucky to have you advocating for her during this tough time!

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This is such great advice about keeping copies! I hadn't even thought about the possibility of paperwork getting lost. We'll definitely make sure to scan everything and keep it organized. It's really reassuring to hear that financial aid offices are generally understanding about these situations - I was worried they might be skeptical or make it harder than it needs to be. Thank you for the encouragement, it means a lot during this stressful time.

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I'm really sorry for your cousin's loss. Going through this process while grieving must be incredibly difficult. Everyone here has given you solid advice about selecting 'None of the above' for that question - that's exactly what she should do. I wanted to add that if your cousin is concerned about her independent status, she can always call the Federal Student Aid Information Center at 1-800-4-FED-AID to confirm her situation. They can walk through her specific circumstances and provide official guidance. Also, make sure she keeps detailed records of any communication with schools' financial aid offices - emails, notes from phone calls, etc. This can be really helpful if any questions come up later. One more tip: if she's planning to attend a community college or state school, they often have experience with these types of situations and can be particularly helpful in guiding students through the dependency override process. The financial aid staff at these schools are usually very accessible and understanding. Your cousin is fortunate to have someone like you helping her navigate this complex process during such a challenging time. Best of luck with the application!

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Thank you so much for all the helpful information! That phone number could be really useful if we run into any complications. I like the idea of keeping detailed records too - I'll start a folder for her with all the documentation and correspondence. It's really comforting to know that community colleges and state schools have experience with these situations. Your support and everyone else's advice here has made this feel so much more manageable. I really appreciate how this community comes together to help each other through these confusing processes!

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I'm so sorry for your cousin's loss. This must be incredibly overwhelming to deal with while she's also grieving. Just wanted to echo what everyone else has said - definitely select "None of the above" for that dependency question. I work as a financial aid counselor and see this situation more often than you'd think. The FAFSA dependency questions can be really confusing because they don't always match real-life circumstances perfectly. One thing I'd suggest is having your cousin reach out to the financial aid offices at her prospective schools BEFORE she submits her FAFSA if possible. Many schools have staff who specialize in these complex cases and can walk her through exactly what documentation they'll need. This can save a lot of back-and-forth later. Also, make sure she applies to schools with good need-based aid programs. With her likely $0 SAI, she should qualify for maximum federal aid, but institutional aid varies widely between schools. Some private colleges have very generous aid for independent students in her situation. Your cousin is lucky to have you advocating for her. These processes are hard enough without having to navigate them alone during such a difficult time.

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Thank you so much for the professional perspective! That's a really smart suggestion about contacting the financial aid offices before submitting the FAFSA. I hadn't thought about how much that could streamline the process. We'll definitely do that. It's also good to know that she should qualify for maximum federal aid with her situation - that takes some of the financial pressure off during an already stressful time. I'll make sure we research which schools have the best need-based aid programs when she's making her final decisions. Your point about these situations being more common than we think is actually quite reassuring. Sometimes it feels like we're navigating completely uncharted territory, but knowing that financial aid counselors like you see this regularly makes me feel more confident that we can get through this process successfully.

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I'm so sorry for your cousin's loss. This is such a difficult situation to navigate, especially while grieving. Everyone here has given excellent advice about selecting 'None of the above' for that specific question - that's absolutely correct. I went through something similar a few years ago when I was helping my younger sibling after our dad passed away. One thing I'd add is to make sure your cousin starts this process as early as possible. Even though she qualifies as independent, the verification and documentation process can take several weeks. I'd also recommend creating a simple checklist of all the required documents so nothing gets overlooked: - Mother's death certificate (certified copy) - Written statement explaining father's absence - Third-party verification letter (from counselor, social worker, etc.) - Any court documents if they exist The financial aid offices are generally very understanding about these situations. Don't hesitate to call them directly if you have questions - they'd rather help clarify things upfront than deal with delays later. Your cousin is fortunate to have you helping her through this. The FAFSA process can be overwhelming under normal circumstances, but having advocate support makes such a difference.

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This checklist is incredibly helpful! I'm definitely going to save this and make sure we have everything ready before we start the process. The suggestion about starting early is spot-on too - with everything else going on in our lives right now, having extra time will really reduce the stress. It's reassuring to hear from someone who's been through a similar situation with a family member. Sometimes it feels like we're the only ones dealing with these complicated circumstances, but your experience gives me confidence that we can handle this. Thank you for taking the time to share such detailed and practical advice!

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I'm so sorry for your cousin's loss. This is such a heartbreaking situation to navigate while dealing with grief. Everyone here has given you excellent guidance - definitely select "None of the above" for that dependency question. I wanted to add one more practical tip that helped me when I went through something similar: keep a dedicated email folder for all FAFSA-related correspondence. Forward any important emails to a backup account too, just in case. Also, when your cousin writes her personal statement about her father's absence, keep it factual and brief. Something like "My father has had no contact with our family since [year] and his whereabouts are unknown" works well. The financial aid offices have seen these situations before and don't need lengthy explanations. One last thing - make sure she knows that being independent for FAFSA purposes might actually work in her favor financially. Her aid will be calculated based solely on her income and assets, which as a student are likely very low. This could result in her qualifying for maximum federal aid. You're being such a wonderful advocate for her during this difficult time. The process might feel overwhelming now, but once you get through the initial documentation requirements, future years will be much simpler.

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Thank you so much for these practical tips! The email organization advice is brilliant - I can already see how easy it would be to lose track of important correspondence in the middle of everything else we're dealing with. And you're absolutely right about keeping the personal statement brief and factual. I was wondering how detailed to make it, so that guidance is really helpful. It's encouraging to hear that her independent status might actually work in her favor financially. With everything that's happened, at least knowing she could qualify for maximum federal aid gives us some hope that college will still be affordable for her. Your point about future years being simpler once we get through this initial process is exactly what I needed to hear - it feels so overwhelming right now, but knowing it gets easier is really motivating. I can't express enough how grateful I am for all the support and advice from everyone in this community. It's made such a difference during this difficult time.

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I'm so sorry for your cousin's loss. What a difficult situation to navigate during an already overwhelming time. Everyone here has given you spot-on advice about selecting "None of the above" for that dependency question. I just wanted to add that when you're gathering documentation, it might help to get multiple copies of your cousin's mother's death certificate right away. Different schools sometimes want original or certified copies, and having extras on hand can prevent delays. Also, if your cousin hasn't already, she should consider reaching out to any colleges she's interested in to let them know about her situation early in the process. Many schools have dedicated staff who handle complex dependency cases, and they can often provide school-specific guidance about what documentation they prefer. The FAFSA questions really aren't designed for all the complicated family situations that exist in real life, which makes this process so frustrating. But your cousin's independent status is clear-cut given her circumstances, and that should actually work in her favor for financial aid eligibility. You're doing an amazing thing helping her through this. Having someone knowledgeable advocating for her is going to make such a difference in getting through all the paperwork and requirements.

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That's such a smart tip about getting multiple copies of the death certificate right away! I hadn't thought about different schools potentially wanting different types of copies, but that makes total sense. We'll definitely order several certified copies to avoid any delays later on. Your suggestion about reaching out to colleges early is really valuable too. It sounds like having those dedicated staff members who understand these complex cases could save us a lot of confusion and back-and-forth. I'll help her make a list of her target schools and start reaching out to their financial aid offices. You're absolutely right that the FAFSA questions don't seem designed for real-world family complexities. It's frustrating, but at least knowing that her situation clearly qualifies her as independent gives us confidence moving forward. Thank you for the encouragement - this community has been such a lifeline during this overwhelming process!

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I'm so sorry for your cousin's loss - what a difficult situation to navigate while she's still processing her grief. Everyone has given you excellent advice about selecting "None of the above" for that specific dependency question. I just wanted to emphasize something that might provide additional peace of mind: her independent status is actually established through multiple pathways on the FAFSA, not just that one confusing question. Even if she selects "None of the above" there, the application will still recognize her as independent based on her overall circumstances. One practical tip that hasn't been mentioned yet: when you're helping her complete the FAFSA, make sure to print or save a copy of every screen before submitting. The confirmation pages can be really helpful if any questions come up later with financial aid offices. Also, write down the FAFSA submission summary number - you'll need it for any follow-up communications. Your cousin is incredibly fortunate to have someone like you advocating for her during this challenging time. The process feels overwhelming now, but once you get through the initial documentation hurdles, she should be in a much better position financially for college than many dependent students. Her $0 SAI will likely qualify her for maximum federal aid, which can make a huge difference in college affordability.

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Thank you so much for that reassurance about her independent status being established through multiple pathways! That really puts my mind at ease about selecting "None of the above" - I was still a little worried we might accidentally mess something up, but knowing the FAFSA has other ways to recognize her situation is incredibly comforting. The tip about printing every screen is fantastic - I'm definitely going to do that. With everything we're juggling right now, having those backup records could really save us if we need to reference something later. And I'll make sure to write down that submission summary number too. Your point about her potentially being in a better financial position than many dependent students is actually really encouraging. It's been hard to see any silver lining in this terrible situation, but knowing that her college education might be more affordable because of her independent status does provide some hope. Thank you for framing it that way - it helps me feel like we're moving toward something positive despite all the challenges we're facing.

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I'm so sorry for your cousin's loss. This is an incredibly difficult situation to navigate while dealing with grief, and I want to echo what everyone has said - you're being an amazing advocate for her. Just to reinforce what the financial aid professionals have shared: definitely select "None of the above" for that dependency question. Her independent status is rock solid given her circumstances (both parents deceased/absent), and that specific question is really designed for different situations. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that she might want to reach out to her high school's college counselor or social worker, even if she's already graduated. They often have experience helping students in similar situations and can provide that third-party verification letter that schools typically request. Plus, they might know about local scholarships specifically for students who have experienced family hardships. Also, when she's ready to submit her FAFSA, try to do it during off-peak hours if possible (early morning or late evening). The system can get overwhelmed during busy periods, and the last thing you want is technical issues when you're already dealing with such a complex situation. Your cousin is going to get through this, and her college education will likely be very affordable given her independent status and likely $0 SAI. You're both handling an incredibly tough situation with remarkable strength.

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Thank you so much for that suggestion about reaching out to her high school counselor! I hadn't thought about local scholarships for students with family hardships, but that's such a valuable tip. Even though she graduated last year, I bet they'd still be willing to help with the verification letter and scholarship information. The timing advice for submitting the FAFSA is really practical too - I can imagine how frustrating it would be to deal with technical issues on top of everything else we're managing. We'll definitely plan to submit during off-peak hours. It's been incredible how supportive and knowledgeable this community has been. Every piece of advice has helped make this overwhelming process feel more manageable. Your encouragement about her strength and the affordability of her college education really means a lot during such a difficult time. Thank you for taking the time to share such thoughtful and detailed guidance!

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