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14% Sallie Mae interest rate for aviation degree - predatory or normal for FAFSA gap?

My stepdaughter just got approved for a Sallie Mae loan to cover what FAFSA wouldn't, and I'm in shock at the interest rate. She's pursuing an Aviation Associates degree ($130k total for ATP certification) and FAFSA only offered $5,500/year in federal loans. We applied to Sallie Mae yesterday to cover the $70k gap for year 1, and despite her mom co-signing with an 800 credit score, they gave us 14% interest! At that rate, the $70k loan balloons to approximately $140k over 10 years with $1,400 monthly payments. And she'll need ANOTHER $70k loan next year! Is 14% standard for private student loans these days, or is Sallie Mae being predatory? Her mom and I want to support her aviation dreams, but $2,800/month in loan payments after graduation seems impossible for a starting pilot. Has anyone found better private loan options to supplement FAFSA? Or negotiated with Sallie Mae for better rates?

14% is absurdly high - even in today's market. My son is also in an aviation program and we were able to get private loans from Citizens Bank at 7.8% with a similar credit score for co-signing. A few things to consider: 1. Did you apply to multiple lenders? Never accept the first offer. 2. Check with credit unions - they typically offer 3-5% lower rates than Sallie Mae. 3. Look into aviation-specific scholarships and grants - there are tons for women in aviation if that applies. 4. Consider starting at a community college for prerequisites to reduce overall costs. The real issue is FAFSA only counting the federal loan in your aid package. Did they explain why she wasn't eligible for more federal aid? Was your Expected Family Contribution too high? $5,500 is just the standard dependent student loan amount regardless of program cost.

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Thank you so much for this information! We didn't shop around - honestly didn't realize rates would vary this much between lenders. I'll check out Citizens Bank today. And no, FAFSA never explained why she only qualified for the $5,500 - just gave us the SAI score and said that's all she could get. I'm guessing our household income looked too high on paper (around $130k combined), but we have other kids and expenses too. Are there specific credit unions you'd recommend for aviation programs?

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yea thats crazy high interest! my cousin did a similar aviation program and ended up with a collection of smaller loans instead of one big one. he did some private loans but also got scholarships from regional airlines that had pilot shortages. i think republic airways and some others have programs where they help pay for school if u agree to work for them after. might be worth looking into

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That's really smart - I hadn't thought about airline-sponsored programs. I'll definitely look into Republic and others. Did your cousin have to commit to a specific number of years with the airline that helped with funding?

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Sallie Mae is NOTORIOUS for their high interest rates. They trapped me with 12% loans 15 years ago and I'm STILL paying them off!!! Run away as fast as you can! Their whole business model is preying on desperate students who don't know better. Aviation is expensive but there are WAY better options. Call the financial aid office at her school and ask specifically about aviation financing programs. Many flight schools have partnerships with credit unions or industry-specific lenders that understand aviation career paths better than Sallie Mae. Also look into the American Airlines Cadet Academy and United Aviate program - both help fund training in exchange for a job pathway.

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This!! I'm still paying off my Sallie Mae loans from 10 years ago too. They're the absolute worst. They actually increased my interest rate twice after I graduated. I didn't even know they could do that but apparently it was in the fine print.

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As a financial aid counselor, I'd strongly recommend you look into a few options before committing to those Sallie Mae terms: 1. First, double-check your FAFSA - make sure you've claimed all education credits and deductions correctly. Sometimes a correction can change your SAI and qualification for additional aid. 2. For aviation specifically, look into the Airline CEOs Private Pilot Program and the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) scholarships. 3. For private loans, always compare at least 3 lenders. Credit unions typically offer the best rates, followed by traditional banks. Online lenders are hit or miss. 4. Consider a Parent PLUS loan - current federal rates are around 8.05%, much lower than 14%. 5. Some flight schools offer income share agreements where you pay a percentage of your pilot income after graduation instead of fixed loan payments. The 14% from Sallie Mae is definitely on the high end, even in today's market.

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Thank you for these specific recommendations! I had no idea about Parent PLUS loans - that 8.05% sounds much more reasonable. I'm going to look into that immediately. And we'll definitely check her FAFSA again - we did it ourselves without much guidance, so we could have missed something. Is there a way to get expert help reviewing our FAFSA submission?

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Have you tried calling Federal Student Aid directly to see if there are any additional loan options or if there was a mistake in your FAFSA processing? I was in a similar situation last year with my son's expensive program and spent WEEKS trying to get through to an actual person at FSA. Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an agent in about 10 minutes. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/TbC8dZQWYNQ that shows how it works. The agent I spoke with found that our FAFSA had been incorrectly processed and we qualified for an additional $4000 in subsidized loans plus work-study that hadn't shown up in our initial offer. Definitely worth checking before committing to those private loan rates.

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I haven't tried calling FSA directly - figured it would be a nightmare based on what I've heard. Thanks for the Claimyr recommendation! I'll check out that video. Even an extra $4000 in federal loans would help chip away at that private loan amount.

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14% is absolutely predatory, especially for someone with an 800 credit score co-signing! Please please consider a gap year where she works and saves money before starting this program. My brother fell into this exact trap with an aviation degree and private loans, and 6 years after graduating he's only making $55k as a regional pilot while drowning in $3200/month payments. The aviation industry promises big salaries but those come after YEARS of barely making enough to survive. Some of his classmates who couldn't find aviation jobs just gave up and their loans went to collections, ruining their credit for life.

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This is exactly what I'm worried about - the gap between what new pilots actually make versus what these loan payments would require. $3200/month is just not realistic on entry-level aviation salaries. The gap year is a tough conversation to have since she's so eager to start, but it might be the most responsible option. Would you mind sharing what your brother's total debt was for his aviation degree?

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He borrowed about $95k total but with interest it ballooned to around $140k by the time he graduated. And that was with some military benefits helping too. The worst part is the airlines know students are desperate and use it to their advantage with low starting pay. The big money only comes once you make it to the major airlines, which takes years.

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did u try getting a home equity loan instead? thats what we did for my daughters expensive program. rate was like 6% and tax deductible too! way better than any student loan and u can spread it out longer if u need to.

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This is actually really smart advice if you own a home with equity. HELOC rates are usually way better than private student loans.

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That's a creative solution I hadn't considered! We do have about $200k equity in our home. I'll look into HELOC rates today - that could be a game-changer if we can get a rate in the 6-7% range instead of 14%. Thanks for suggesting this!

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Also, make sure your stepdaughter understands the reality of aviation career progression. The first few years are TOUGH financially: - Flight instructors make $25-40k/year - Regional airline first officers start at $50-60k - It typically takes 3-5 years to move up to captain or major airlines Only then does the salary jump to $100k+. Can she realistically handle $2,800/month in loan payments during those first 3-5 years? That's about $34,000 per year just in loan payments - likely more than her take-home pay as a new pilot. Maybe consider a part 61 flight school path instead of the expensive ATP program? It takes longer but costs significantly less.

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These salary numbers are really sobering when put next to the loan payments. We need to have a serious conversation about the financial reality of this career path. I think she's imagining jumping straight into a $100k+ job, which clearly isn't how it works. I hadn't heard of the part 61 option - will definitely research that as an alternative. What's the main difference between that and the ATP program?

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ATP is structured like a full-time intensive program (Part 141) that gets you all your ratings quickly but at premium cost. Part 61 is a pay-as-you-go model where you work with independent flight instructors at your own pace. You can work while training, spread costs out, and often save 30-40% overall. The tradeoff is it usually takes 1-2 years longer to complete all your ratings.

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As someone who went through a similar situation with my daughter's expensive program, I'd really recommend hitting the pause button on that Sallie Mae loan and exploring ALL your options first. 14% is highway robbery, especially with an 800 credit score co-signer. Here's what I'd do in your shoes: 1. Apply for Parent PLUS loans immediately - 8.05% is way more manageable than 14% 2. Check with your local credit unions - mine offered 6.2% for education loans 3. Look into that HELOC option someone mentioned - if you have home equity, rates are typically 6-7% 4. Have her apply for every aviation scholarship out there - Women in Aviation International, AOPA, regional airline programs The math on $2,800/month payments is just brutal for a new pilot. Even if she gets hired right away, those first few years in aviation are financially rough. My friend's son is a regional pilot making $52k and there's no way he could handle payments that high. Maybe consider having her do her private pilot license first through a local flight school to make sure she really loves flying before committing to the full program? That would buy you time to find better financing options too.

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