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Justin Evans

What is structural unemployment and how does it affect Washington ESD benefits?

I keep hearing about 'structural unemployment' in the news and I'm wondering if this applies to my situation. I worked in retail management for 8 years but my store closed permanently when the company went bankrupt. Now I'm on unemployment through Washington ESD but I'm having trouble finding similar positions because it seems like the whole retail industry is changing. Does this count as structural unemployment? Will it affect my weekly claims or job search requirements? I'm worried Washington ESD might think I'm not trying hard enough to find work.

Structural unemployment is when there's a mismatch between the skills workers have and what employers need. It's different from regular unemployment because the jobs that disappeared aren't coming back - the whole industry or occupation is changing. In your case with retail, yes this could be structural unemployment since many retail jobs have been replaced by online shopping and automation.

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That makes sense. So does Washington ESD recognize this as a legitimate reason for taking longer to find work?

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Washington ESD focuses more on whether you're actively searching and available for work rather than the type of unemployment. You still need to meet your weekly job search requirements regardless.

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I'm in the same boat - worked in newspaper printing for 15 years before everything went digital. Been collecting UI benefits for 6 months now and it's tough. The job search requirements don't really account for the fact that my entire industry basically vanished.

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Exactly! It feels like Washington ESD expects us to find the same type of job we had before, but those jobs just don't exist anymore.

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Have you looked into retraining programs? Washington state has some good options for people in industries that have been disrupted.

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For what it's worth, I had luck getting through to Washington ESD to discuss my situation when I was dealing with something similar. I used claimyr.com - it's a service that helps you actually reach an agent by phone. There's a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Sometimes talking to a real person at Washington ESD can help clarify what options you have.

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Thanks, I'll check that out. I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks but can never get through.

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Claimyr actually works? I've been getting hung up on every time I call the Washington ESD number.

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The technical definition is that structural unemployment happens when the economy changes in ways that make certain skills obsolete. Think coal miners when everyone switched to natural gas, or travel agents when booking websites took over. It's not temporary like cyclical unemployment - these changes are permanent.

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So is there any special help for people dealing with structural unemployment? It seems unfair to expect us to find jobs that no longer exist.

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Washington state does have some retraining programs through WorkSource, and federal trade adjustment assistance for certain industries. But for regular UI benefits, you still have to meet the same job search requirements.

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I hate to say it but structural unemployment is why I ended up going back to school at 45. My manufacturing job got automated away and there just weren't comparable positions available anymore. Used my unemployment benefits to help support myself while retraining in healthcare.

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How did that work with Washington ESD? Did they reduce your benefits while you were in school?

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If you're in an approved training program, Washington ESD can sometimes waive the job search requirements. You need to get approval first though - don't just start school and assume it's okay.

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This whole thing is so frustrating. The government talks about how the economy is doing great but meanwhile entire industries are disappearing and people like us are left behind. Washington ESD treats everyone the same whether you lost your job because of a recession or because robots took over.

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Exactly! And then they wonder why some people are on unemployment longer than others.

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I understand the frustration, but the unemployment system is designed to provide temporary support while you find new work. It can't solve broader economic changes.

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wait so if my job disappeared because of technology changes, that's different from being laid off? i thought unemployment was unemployment

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For Washington ESD purposes, it's the same - you lost your job through no fault of your own. The difference is more about what happens next and how easy it is to find similar work.

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ok that makes sense. still sucks though

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I'm an economist and I can tell you that structural unemployment is one of the hardest types to deal with. Unlike cyclical unemployment where jobs come back when the economy improves, structural unemployment requires workers to essentially rebuild their careers. The skills mismatch can take years to resolve.

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Years? That's terrifying. My unemployment benefits won't last that long.

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That's why retraining and education programs are so important. The sooner you can start building new skills, the better your chances of finding stable employment.

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Just wanted to follow up on the Claimyr thing - I actually used it again last week to talk to someone at Washington ESD about training program approval. Got through in about 20 minutes instead of spending days trying to call. Definitely worth it if you need to discuss your specific situation with an actual person.

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Did it cost a lot? I'm barely scraping by on unemployment as it is.

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It's not free but honestly the time it saved me was worth it. Better than losing my mind trying to get through the regular Washington ESD phone lines.

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Update on my situation - I finally got approved for a retraining program through WorkSourceWA. It took forever to get all the paperwork sorted out with Washington ESD but now I don't have to do job searches while I'm in school. There is hope for those of us dealing with structural unemployment.

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That's great! What kind of program did you get into?

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Medical coding. It's not glamorous but it's growing and pays decent. Plus I can work remotely which opens up more opportunities.

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The sad reality is that structural unemployment affects older workers the most. Companies would rather hire someone fresh out of college than retrain a 50-year-old. Age discrimination is real even if no one talks about it.

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This is so true. I'm 52 and I could see it in interviewers' faces even before they saw my resume.

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It's illegal but how do you prove it? They just say you're not a 'good fit' for the company culture.

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For anyone dealing with structural unemployment, I'd recommend looking into these resources: WorkSourceWA for job search assistance and training programs, community college career counseling, and industry-specific retraining grants. Don't wait until your UI benefits run out to start exploring these options.

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Good advice. I've been so focused on trying to find the same type of job that I haven't really considered completely changing careers.

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Sometimes a career change is the only realistic option. It's scary but it can also be an opportunity to find something better.

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My brother went through this when Blockbuster went out of business. He was a store manager for 12 years and suddenly that experience meant nothing because video rental stores don't exist anymore. Classic structural unemployment.

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What did he end up doing?

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Took him 2 years but he eventually got into property management. Similar management skills but completely different industry.

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I think people confuse structural unemployment with just having a hard time finding work. Structural unemployment specifically means the fundamental structure of the economy has changed. If retail jobs still existed but you just couldn't find one, that would be different.

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Good point. There's still retail jobs but they're increasingly part-time, low-wage positions without benefits. The good retail management jobs are disappearing as stores close and operations get consolidated.

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That's exactly what I'm seeing. The few management positions that are available pay half what I used to make.

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been unemployed for 8 months now after my call center got moved overseas. is that structural unemployment too? feels like all the decent paying jobs that don't require a college degree are disappearing

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That's more like trade-related unemployment, but it has similar effects. The jobs aren't coming back because they can be done cheaper elsewhere.

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either way it sucks and washington esd doesn't seem to care why you're unemployed, just that you keep looking for work that doesn't exist

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One more thing about getting help from Washington ESD - if you're dealing with structural unemployment and considering retraining, definitely try to speak with an actual counselor rather than just going through the automated systems. Services like Claimyr can help you get through to someone who can walk you through your options properly.

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I'm definitely going to try this. I feel like I've been stumbling around in the dark trying to figure out what my options are.

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The Washington ESD website has information but it's confusing. Talking to a real person makes a huge difference.

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The thing about structural unemployment is that it's not your fault but it becomes your problem to solve. Society benefits from technological progress but individual workers bear the cost of adaptation. It's fundamentally unfair but that's how the system works.

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This is exactly how I feel. Everyone talks about innovation and progress but no one talks about what happens to the people whose jobs get innovated away.

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At least we have unemployment benefits to help during the transition. My dad's generation just got told 'adapt or starve' when the steel mills closed.

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Quick question - if I'm dealing with structural unemployment, should I mention that in my weekly claim certifications? Or does Washington ESD not care about the reason as long as I'm looking for work?

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The weekly certifications just ask if you looked for work and if you turned down any job offers. The reason you're unemployed doesn't come up unless there's an issue with your claim.

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Thanks, that's what I figured but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something important.

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I feel for everyone going through this. Lost my job as a bank teller when they automated everything and went to online banking. Been on UI for 4 months now and every job I apply for either requires skills I don't have or pays minimum wage. The middle is just gone.

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The disappearing middle class jobs is exactly what I'm worried about. Seems like everything is either highly skilled professional work or low-wage service jobs.

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That's why I bit the bullet and went back to school. Trying to move up to that professional level since the middle tier jobs aren't coming back.

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Not to be negative but I think we're all going to have to get used to changing careers multiple times. The pace of change is so fast now that no job is really secure long-term. Structural unemployment might become the norm rather than the exception.

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That's a depressing thought but probably realistic. My kids are going to grow up in a very different job market than we did.

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Yeah, the idea of working for one company your whole career is pretty much dead. Adaptability is going to be the most important skill going forward.

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