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Washington ESD what is u6 unemployment rate vs regular unemployment benefits?

I keep seeing references to 'U6 unemployment' in news articles about Washington state's job market, but I'm confused about how this relates to my regular unemployment benefits through Washington ESD. Is U6 some kind of special unemployment program I should know about? I'm currently receiving regular UI benefits and wondering if I'm missing out on something. My weekly claim amount seems lower than what some people are talking about when they mention U6 numbers. Can someone explain what U6 unemployment actually means and if it affects my Washington ESD claim in any way?

U6 is just a statistical measurement, not a benefit program. It's how the Bureau of Labor Statistics measures unemployment more broadly than the standard U3 rate. U6 includes people who are underemployed (working part-time but want full-time) and discouraged workers who've stopped looking. It doesn't affect your Washington ESD benefits at all.

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Oh wow, so it's not related to my actual unemployment claim? I was worried I was missing out on some higher benefit amount.

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Yeah the naming is confusing but U6 has nothing to do with your weekly benefit amount from Washington ESD.

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I was confused about this too when I first started my claim. U6 is like 'total unemployment' including people who gave up looking or are stuck in part-time jobs. The regular unemployment rate (U3) that gets reported is much lower because it only counts people actively looking for work. Neither one changes your Washington ESD payment.

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That makes sense now. I thought maybe there were different tiers of unemployment benefits I didn't know about.

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How does that work exactly? Do they just call for you or something?

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The U6 rate is always higher than the regular unemployment rate because it captures more people in bad job situations. In Washington, if the regular rate is like 4%, the U6 might be 8% or 9%. But again, this is just for economists and policymakers to understand the full picture of employment problems.

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So when politicians talk about unemployment being low, they might be using the smaller number?

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Exactly. U3 (regular rate) looks better politically, but U6 shows the real struggle including underemployment.

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This is why I don't trust any of these numbers honestly

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Just to be clear - your Washington ESD weekly benefit amount is calculated based on your previous earnings, not on any unemployment rate statistics. The U6 vs U3 distinction is purely for measuring how many people are unemployed or underemployed in the economy, not for determining individual benefit amounts.

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Good to know. My benefit amount is based on what I made at my last job then?

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Yes, Washington ESD uses your highest earning quarter from your base period to calculate your weekly benefit amount. Usually it's about 3.85% of your highest quarter earnings.

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I remember being confused about this too. Saw some article saying 'U6 unemployment hits 12%' and thought there was some special program I was missing out on lol

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Same! I spent way too much time on the Washington ESD website looking for U6 benefits that don't exist.

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The media makes this so confusing. They'll say 'unemployment is at 4%' one day then 'real unemployment is 9%' the next day. They're talking about U3 vs U6 but never explain the difference clearly.

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Exactly. U3 is the 'headline' number that gets reported most, U6 is the broader measure that includes discouraged workers and involuntary part-timers.

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wish they would just pick one and stick with it instead of switching between them

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I've been on unemployment for 6 months and this is the first time I'm hearing about U6. Shows how much Washington ESD explains to us about the bigger picture...

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Well, Washington ESD's job is to administer benefits, not teach economics. The U6 rate doesn't really matter for your individual claim.

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True but would be nice to understand what's happening in the job market while I'm looking

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For anyone interested, you can find both U3 and U6 rates for Washington state on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website. Helps understand the job market you're searching in, even though it doesn't change your Washington ESD benefits.

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That's actually helpful for understanding whether my job search is taking longer because the market is bad or just me.

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Speaking of job searches, make sure you're meeting Washington ESD's job search requirements. They want 3 job search activities per week and you need to log them. The U6 rate being high doesn't excuse you from the requirement.

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Yeah I've been logging my searches. Didn't know if the high U6 rate meant they'd be more lenient but sounds like no.

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Washington ESD requirements stay the same regardless of unemployment rates. Still need those 3 activities per week logged in your job search record.

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If you want to get really technical, there's also U1, U2, U4, and U5 measures of unemployment. U6 is just the broadest one that gets mentioned most after U3. But none of them affect your actual unemployment benefits.

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How many different ways do they need to measure unemployment??

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Each one captures different aspects - short-term vs long-term unemployment, discouraged workers, etc. Gives economists different perspectives on the job market.

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Bottom line - focus on your weekly claims and job search requirements for Washington ESD. The U6 rate is interesting for understanding the economy but won't change your benefit amount or requirements.

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Thanks everyone. I was overthinking this way too much. Back to focusing on my actual claim and job search.

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Just remember that when people say 'real unemployment' they usually mean U6, and when they say 'unemployment rate' without qualification they mean U3. Both are real measures, just capturing different things about joblessness.

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Good way to put it. Neither is fake news, just different ways of measuring the problem.

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Does anyone know if Washington state publishes its own U6 numbers separately from the national ones? Curious how our state compares.

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Yeah, BLS publishes state-level U6 data quarterly. Washington's U6 is usually a bit higher than the national average but not by much.

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Interesting. Makes sense given our mix of tech jobs and seasonal work.

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I wonder if people working gig jobs part-time get counted in U6? Like Uber drivers who want full-time work?

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Yes, if they're working part-time but want full-time work, they'd be counted in U6 as underemployed. That's part of what makes U6 higher than U3.

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Thanks for asking this question OP. I was confused about U6 too but didn't want to look stupid asking about it.

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No problem! Better to ask and learn than stay confused. This thread helped me a lot.

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For future reference, any time you see U followed by a number in unemployment discussions, it's always a Bureau of Labor Statistics measurement category, not a benefit program. Saves confusion down the road.

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Good tip. I'll remember that - U plus number equals statistics, not benefits.

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This has been super helpful everyone. I feel much less confused now about what U6 unemployment actually means and how it relates (or doesn't relate) to my Washington ESD benefits. Thanks for all the explanations!

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Glad we could help clear that up for you. Good luck with your job search and weekly claims!

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Yeah, this was a good discussion. Hope it helps other people who were confused about the same thing.

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One more resource if anyone wants to dive deeper - the BLS has a great explanation of all the different unemployment measures on their website. Helped me understand the differences better when I was curious about this stuff.

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I'll check that out. Always good to understand the bigger economic picture while dealing with unemployment.

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This thread really cleared up a lot of confusion for me too! I was seeing U6 mentioned in job market reports and thought it might be some enhanced unemployment program I wasn't aware of. It's actually kind of reassuring to know that when economists say the "real" unemployment rate is higher, they're including people in situations like mine who took part-time work while still looking for full-time positions. At least now I understand why the numbers in news articles don't always match what I see on my Washington ESD account!

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