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Omar Zaki

Second OAH appeal timeline for ESD unemployment denial (review-only, no hearing)

Just got my first appeal denied by the Office of Administrative Hearings for my ESD disqualification. My attorney filed a second appeal but told me this will just be a 'review' process with no actual hearing this time. Has anyone gone through a second OAH appeal for their unemployment? I'm trying to budget for the next few months and have no idea how long this review might take. The first appeal took almost 7 weeks which completely drained my savings. Any insight on approximate timelines would be really helpful! Not looking for exact guarantees, just trying to get a ballpark idea of what to expect while I hunt for more work.

Chloe Taylor

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I went through this exact process last year. My second OAH appeal took about 8-9 weeks from filing to decision. The review-only process is actually called a 'Petition for Review' and goes to the Commissioner's Review Office rather than back to OAH. It's basically a higher-level review where they look at the record from your first appeal and your attorney's legal arguments. Since there's no hearing to schedule, you'd think it would be faster, but the backlog is significant. Be prepared to wait at least 2 months.

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Omar Zaki

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Thank you! That's actually really helpful to know. My attorney mentioned something about the 'Commissioner's Office' but I didn't fully understand the process. 8-9 weeks is rough but at least I can plan accordingly. Did your second appeal get approved? I'm honestly getting worried since the first one was denied even though I had documentation.

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Diego Flores

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yeh i got denied twice with them. its all rigged anyway. they dont care about us. just collecitng a paycheck to deny ppl. good luck but dont get ur hopes up lol

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Not necessarily true. I won my second appeal after presenting better evidence. The key is having the right documentation and a good argument for why the first decision was legally incorrect.

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Omar Zaki

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I'm hoping having an attorney this time will help. The first appeal I tried to handle myself and I think I messed up some of the procedural stuff. But yeah, I'm definitely feeling discouraged after the first denial.

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Sean Murphy

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The Commissioner's Review Office is currently taking between 8-12 weeks to process second appeals (Petitions for Review). This is longer than normal due to the continued backlog from pandemic claims still working through the system. Make sure your attorney submitted all relevant documentation with the appeal petition - the review is based solely on the written record and legal arguments. They won't accept new evidence that wasn't presented at the first hearing. If your case is particularly complex or involves novel legal arguments, it might take even longer. I recommend following up with the Commissioner's Review Office directly at (360) 570-5700 to check status after about 6 weeks.

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Omar Zaki

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Thank you for the detailed info and phone number! My case does involve some complex issues around job separation reasons, so I'm guessing it might be on the longer end of that timeline. I'll check in with them at the 6-week mark like you suggested.

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StarStrider

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Zara Malik

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StarStrider

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Omar Zaki

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I haven't tried calling ESD directly about this yet. Wasn't sure if they would have info on OAH timelines. I might check out that service though - nothing more frustrating than spending all day trying to get through on the phone!

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Luca Marino

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When I went through my second appeal in January, the Commissioner's office told me 10-12 weeks, but I actually got my decision in just over 7 weeks. I think it really depends on how complicated your case is and their current workload. Just a heads up though - even if you win your second appeal, there can be another delay before ESD actually processes the payments. Mine took an additional 3 weeks after winning to actually get the money deposited. So frustrating! Have you applied for hardship expedition? If you're facing eviction or utility shutoff, you can submit documentation of that and potentially get your appeal expedited.

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Omar Zaki

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That's actually really helpful to know about the potential delay AFTER winning. I hadn't even thought about that part. I haven't applied for hardship expedition but that might be something to consider since my situation is getting pretty desperate. Thank you for mentioning it!

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My sister went thru this last year. Her timeline was similar to what others said - about 10 weeks. But OMG the stress of waiting was awful!! She said the worst part was not being able to get updates. Just make sure you have EVERYTHING well organized for your attorney. I think the process is different in every state tho, so maybe WA is faster?

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Chloe Taylor

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Washington's process is actually fairly standardized. The Commissioner's Review follows the same timeline regardless of which state you're in, as it's part of the federal unemployment insurance system requirements. The 8-12 week timeframe is pretty consistent across states.

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Omar Zaki

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The waiting and uncertainty is definitely the hardest part! I've given my attorney everything I have, but I'm constantly second-guessing if there was something else I should have provided. Did your sister ultimately win her appeal?

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Nia Davis

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I work in HR and deal with unemployment appeals frequently. Just so you're aware, the second-level appeal success rate is only about 15-20%. The Commissioner typically defers to the Administrative Law Judge's findings unless there's a clear error in how the law was applied. Make sure your attorney is focusing on legal errors rather than just rehashing the same arguments. Also, if you lose the Commissioner's Review, you still have one more option - filing with the Superior Court, though that's even more complex and expensive.

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Omar Zaki

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Wow, 15-20% is not encouraging. My attorney did mention focusing on how the ALJ misapplied the law to my specific situation, so hopefully that helps. I don't think I could afford to take this to Superior Court if we lose this round. Really appreciate the insider perspective!

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Diego Flores

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did u kno u can still file weekly claims while waiting for appeal? even if ur getting denied u should keep filing every week so if u win they pay u for all those weeks. i almost messed that up and woulda lost like $6200

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Omar Zaki

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Yes! My attorney told me to keep filing my weekly claims even though they're showing as 'disqualified' right now. I'm trying to be super careful about the job search requirements too since I don't want any more issues if I do win the appeal. Thanks for the reminder though - super important tip that I almost missed too.

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