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Does unemployment cost the employer in Washington ESD claims?

My previous employer is fighting my unemployment claim and I'm wondering if that's because it actually costs them money when I collect benefits? I worked at a small restaurant for 8 months before they let me go for what they said was 'restructuring' but I think they just didn't like me asking about overtime pay. Now they're saying I was fired for misconduct which is completely false. Does my claim actually affect their costs or are they just being vindictive? I'm really stressed about this whole adjudication process.

Yes, unemployment claims do cost employers indirectly. Washington ESD uses an experience rating system where employers pay unemployment taxes based on their claim history. More claims = higher tax rates for them next year. That's probably why they're fighting your claim.

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That explains a lot! So they have a financial incentive to deny legitimate claims? That seems really unfair to workers.

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It's not quite that simple - the system is designed to balance protecting workers with preventing fraud. Employers who consistently have legitimate layoffs don't get penalized as much as those with high turnover from misconduct.

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Washington ESD employers pay into the unemployment insurance fund through payroll taxes. The rate they pay depends on their 'experience rating' which goes up when former employees collect benefits. Small businesses especially hate this because it can really impact their bottom line.

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So basically they're incentivized to fight every claim even if it's legitimate? That's messed up.

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Pretty much. I've seen employers contest claims just to delay payments and hope the worker gives up. It's a broken system in some ways.

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That sounds really helpful! I've been trying to call Washington ESD for days but keep getting disconnected. Did it cost a lot to use?

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Never heard of this service but honestly anything that helps get through to Washington ESD sounds worth trying. Their phone system is absolutely terrible.

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Your employer's unemployment tax rate is calculated based on the total benefits paid to their former employees over several years. If you collect unemployment, it goes into their calculation for future tax rates. That's why some employers fight every claim regardless of merit.

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This whole system seems designed to screw over workers. How is that legal?

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It's supposed to encourage employers to avoid layoffs and maintain stable employment, but in practice it just makes them contest legitimate claims.

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The experience rating system in Washington state looks at the ratio of benefits charged to an employer's account versus their total payroll. Higher ratios mean higher tax rates. Small employers get hit hardest because one or two claims can really spike their rates.

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So even though I was legitimately let go, they're going to fight it to protect their tax rate?

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Exactly. It's a financial decision for them, not about what's right or wrong.

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That's why you need to document everything and be prepared to fight back. Don't let them intimidate you into withdrawing your claim.

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I used to work in HR and can confirm that employers absolutely track their unemployment costs. We had meetings specifically about contesting claims to keep our experience rating low. It's all about the money, not fairness.

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That's so disheartening. I thought the system was supposed to help people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own.

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It is, but employers have figured out how to game the system. Just stick to your story and provide documentation. If they fired you for restructuring, they need to prove misconduct.

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Washington ESD has different tax rates for different employers based on their history. New employers pay a standard rate, but established ones pay based on their experience rating. More claims = higher rates for years to come.

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How long does a claim affect their rates?

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Usually 3-4 years. So your claim could impact their taxes for quite a while, which is why they're fighting it so hard.

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Don't let them bully you! If you were laid off for restructuring, that's not misconduct. Gather any documentation you have about the layoff and fight their contest. You have rights as a worker.

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I have the termination letter that says restructuring, but now they're claiming I was fired for performance issues. Can they just change their story like that?

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That's exactly the kind of inconsistency that hurts their case. Make sure Washington ESD knows about the discrepancy between your termination letter and their contest.

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Same thing happened to me - got laid off then employer contested claiming misconduct. Took 6 weeks to resolve through adjudication but I eventually won. The key is having documentation and being persistent with Washington ESD.

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6 weeks?! I can't afford to wait that long without income. This is so stressful.

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I know it's tough, but don't give up. The system is slow but it usually works out if you have a legitimate claim.

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Employers in Washington pay unemployment taxes quarterly and their rates are adjusted annually based on their experience rating. One bad year of claims can affect their rates for several years running.

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So they're basically incentivized to make workers' lives miserable even after firing them?

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Unfortunately yes. The system creates adversarial relationships instead of protecting workers who genuinely need help.

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I tried calling Washington ESD about my contested claim but could never get through. Someone mentioned Claimyr earlier - I actually tried that service and it worked great. Got connected to an adjudicator within a few hours instead of days of busy signals.

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I'm definitely going to try that. Did you have to give them a lot of personal information?

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No, they just need basic info to set up the callback. Way easier than trying to get through on your own.

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The restaurant industry is notorious for contesting unemployment claims. They have high turnover anyway so they try to minimize their tax burden by fighting every claim they can.

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That makes sense given how they treated employees while I was there. Always looking for ways to cut costs.

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Exactly. Don't take it personally - it's just business to them, even if it's your livelihood.

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Washington ESD adjudication can take forever, especially with contested claims. The employer hopes you'll just give up and find another job rather than wait for benefits. Stay strong and keep following up.

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I'm trying to stay positive but it's really hard when you're worried about paying rent.

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I get it. The system is broken but you can't let them win by giving up. Your claim sounds legitimate.

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The unemployment tax system is set up so that employers with more claims pay higher rates. It's supposed to encourage job stability but instead creates an incentive to contest every claim regardless of merit.

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Is there any way to reform this system so it's more fair to workers?

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There have been proposals but employers lobby hard to keep it as is. They benefit from the current system even if workers suffer.

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Bottom line: yes, your unemployment claim costs your employer money through higher taxes. That's why they're fighting it even though you were legitimately laid off. Don't let them intimidate you into withdrawing your claim.

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Thanks everyone for the advice. I feel much better knowing I'm not crazy for thinking they're being unfair.

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You're definitely not crazy. The system is stacked against workers but you can still win if you're persistent and have documentation.

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I've been through this exact scenario. Employer said layoff initially then claimed misconduct when I filed for unemployment. Took 8 weeks to resolve but I eventually got my benefits. The inconsistency in their story really hurt their case.

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That gives me hope! I have my termination letter showing it was restructuring so hopefully that helps.

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That's exactly what you need. Document everything and don't let them change their story without consequences.

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Pro tip: if you can't get through to Washington ESD by phone, try the Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier. I used it last month when my claim was stuck in adjudication and finally got answers. Worth checking out their demo video to see how it works.

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I'm going to try that today. I've wasted so many hours trying to call Washington ESD directly.

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Same here. The regular phone system is completely useless when you actually need help.

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Your employer is probably betting that you'll give up rather than fight through the adjudication process. Small restaurants especially hate paying unemployment taxes and will contest claims just to delay payments.

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Well they picked the wrong person to mess with. I'm not giving up on benefits I'm entitled to.

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Good for you! That's exactly the attitude you need to beat their bogus contest.

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The experience rating system needs major reform. Employers shouldn't be able to contest legitimate claims just to protect their tax rates. It creates a system where workers are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

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Exactly! I shouldn't have to prove I didn't do something wrong when they admitted they laid me off for restructuring.

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The burden of proof should be on them to show misconduct, not on you to prove your innocence.

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Keep documenting everything and stay persistent with Washington ESD. Contested claims take longer but you'll eventually get a decision. Don't let your former employer intimidate you into giving up benefits you're entitled to.

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Thanks for all the support everyone. This thread has been really helpful in understanding what I'm up against.

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We've all been there. The system is frustrating but you can win if you don't give up.

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