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This entire thread should be required reading for anyone dealing with ESD denials! I work in HR and see employees get tripped up by these hour requirements all the time. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you had any employer-paid training during your base year (orientation, safety training, etc.), make sure those hours are counted too. We've had several cases where new hire training hours weren't included in ESD's calculations. Also, if you were paid for any company meetings or mandatory events, those count as well. The key is that ANY time your employer paid you should be included in that 680-hour total. Keep all your pay stubs from the entire base year period - not just your regular work hours!
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive info that should be on ESD's website but isn't! The training hours point is especially important - I bet tons of people miss that. It's ridiculous that we have to crowdsource this knowledge when ESD could just provide clear guidance upfront about what counts toward the 680 hours. Thanks for adding the HR perspective - really helps to know what to look for on pay stubs beyond just regular hourly wages.
Wow, reading through this entire thread has been incredibly educational! I had no idea there were so many different types of paid hours that count toward the 680 requirement. I'm bookmarking this for future reference in case I ever need to file for unemployment. It's really frustrating that ESD doesn't provide this level of detail upfront - like why isn't there a clear checklist of what counts as "hours worked" on their website? The fact that vacation time, sick pay, training hours, temp agency work, and even alternative base year calculations can all make a difference is huge. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise here. This thread is going to help so many people who find themselves in similar situations!
Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I'll definitely be reporting all my Instacart earnings each week when I do my UI claim. Better safe than sorry, especially after hearing about that overpayment nightmare. I appreciate all the advice!
Smart move asking this question upfront! I've been doing gig work (Uber Eats) while on UI for a few months now and learned this the hard way. Definitely report everything - gross earnings and hours worked. One tip that's helped me: I created a simple spreadsheet to track my daily earnings and hours from each platform, then I just add it up when filing my weekly claim. Makes it much easier than trying to remember or dig through payment emails later. Also, keep screenshots of your earnings summaries from Instacart's app as backup documentation in case ESD ever asks for proof. Good luck with the deliveries!
That's such a great tip about the spreadsheet! I'm definitely going to set something like that up. Do you happen to know if there's a specific format ESD prefers for documentation, or are screenshots from the app usually sufficient? I want to make sure I'm keeping the right records in case they ever need to verify anything.
I went through a similar situation when I had to close my coffee shop last year. One thing I'd add is to make sure you document the reason for closure (rising rent costs in your case) in your final paperwork with Washington ESD. This helps establish that it's an involuntary business closure rather than voluntary, which can be important for your employees' unemployment claims and potentially for you if you ever start another business. Also, consider reaching out to your local SCORE chapter - they sometimes have resources for business closure assistance that I wish I'd known about earlier.
That's really valuable advice about documenting the reason for closure - I hadn't thought about how that might affect things down the line. I'll definitely make sure to be clear that it's due to rising rent and not voluntary. Thanks for mentioning SCORE too, I'll look into what resources they might have available.
I'm sorry to hear about your shop closure, but it sounds like you're approaching this responsibly. One thing I wanted to mention that I don't see covered yet - when you do your final payroll, Washington state requires that final paychecks be paid immediately upon termination (same day) rather than on your normal pay schedule. This is different from regular payroll timing rules. Also, if you have any accrued vacation time or PTO policies, you'll need to pay those out according to your company policy or Washington state law. Make sure to factor these immediate payout requirements into your closure timeline and cash flow planning.
This is really important information about the final paycheck timing - I had no idea it needed to be immediate rather than following normal payroll schedule. That definitely changes my planning since I was thinking I'd have until the next regular payday. Do you know if there are any exceptions to this rule, like if the closure date falls on a weekend or holiday? I want to make sure I handle this correctly for my employees.
I'm going through a backdating appeal myself right now and wanted to share what I've learned from talking to other claimants who've been through this process. The judges definitely vary in how they interpret the "good cause" standard, but several people have told me that having extensive job search documentation like yours actually strengthens your case significantly. One thing that might help - if you have any emails or texts you sent to friends/family during those 8 weeks mentioning your job search or expressing confusion about unemployment benefits, bring those as evidence. They can help demonstrate your genuine state of mind at the time. Also, practice explaining your timeline clearly and concisely. The judges appreciate when you can walk through exactly what happened week by week without getting too emotional or defensive. Focus on the facts: when you were laid off, what you understood about the process, what actions you took, and when you realized you should have filed earlier. The $4,200 you're owed shows this is definitely worth fighting for. Even if the odds aren't perfect, you've got a legitimate case with the misunderstanding angle and strong job search evidence. Wishing you the best of luck with your hearing next week!
Thank you so much for this advice! I actually do have some text messages from that period where I was venting to my sister about the job search stress and how I was trying to avoid "going on unemployment." Looking back, those texts clearly show I thought it was an either/or situation. I'll definitely bring those to the hearing on Thursday. Your point about practicing the timeline is really helpful too - I need to organize my thoughts so I don't ramble when I'm nervous. It's reassuring to hear from someone else going through this process right now. How far along are you in your own appeal?
I'm actually in a very similar boat and wanted to share some hope! I had my backdating appeal hearing last week for a 6-week period where I was intensely job searching instead of filing. Like you, I had this totally wrong idea that unemployment was something you only did if you gave up looking for work. The judge asked me point blank why I didn't call ESD during those weeks, and I was honest - I said I was operating under the assumption that active job searching and collecting unemployment were mutually exclusive. I explained that in my mind, filing for benefits meant I was "giving up" on finding work quickly. What really seemed to help my case was that I brought a timeline showing I applied to 40+ jobs during the disputed period (way more than required) and had emails to friends where I specifically said I was "trying to find work before having to go on unemployment." The judge said these showed my genuine belief that I was doing what I was supposed to do. I should hear back on the decision within a week or two, but the judge seemed much more sympathetic than I expected. Your 60+ job applications during 8 weeks actually puts you in a really strong position - that level of activity clearly shows good faith effort and genuine misunderstanding rather than laziness or avoidance. Definitely focus on the misunderstanding angle and bring any documentation that shows your mindset at the time. You've got this!
This gives me so much hope! Your situation sounds exactly like mine - I had that same backwards thinking that unemployment was for people who had "given up" on finding work. It's crazy how many of us had this same misconception! I'm really curious to hear how your decision turns out. The fact that the judge seemed sympathetic is encouraging. I've been so stressed about Thursday's hearing, but reading about your experience makes me feel like I might actually have a chance. Did you prepare a written statement beforehand or just speak from notes during the hearing?
Paolo Romano
I'm in the exact same situation and this thread has been a lifesaver! My claim just moved from pending to adjudication yesterday after being disputed by my former employer who's claiming I was terminated for "poor performance" when I was actually laid off in a company-wide downsizing. The anxiety is through the roof, especially reading about 8-12 week wait times. What's really helping me cope is creating a daily action plan based on all the great advice here: 1) Continue filing weekly claims religiously, 2) Gather every piece of evidence I can find (company emails about layoffs, news articles about our financial struggles, coworker contacts), 3) Practice explaining my timeline clearly for when the adjudicator calls, 4) Look into emergency assistance programs through 211. The most frustrating part is how employers can just lie with zero consequences while we're left scrambling to prove the truth. But seeing all these success stories where people eventually got thousands in back pay gives me motivation to keep fighting. We shouldn't have to become unemployment law experts just to get benefits we earned, but here we are! Thanks to everyone sharing their experiences - knowing we're all supporting each other through this broken system makes it feel less overwhelming when the stress peaks.
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Nia Thompson
•Your daily action plan is exactly the right approach - it's so important to stay proactive instead of just sitting around worrying! I went through adjudication earlier this year and having a structured plan like that really helped me feel like I had some control over the situation. The "poor performance" claim when you were part of a documented downsizing is such a classic bad faith employer move. They know it's harder to dispute vague performance issues than clear policy violations, but if you have that company-wide downsizing documentation, you should be in really good shape. Make sure to get screenshots of any internal communications, LinkedIn posts from your company about restructuring, or local news coverage if your company's layoffs were reported. One thing I wish I'd done earlier was reaching out to former coworkers right away while the situation was fresh in everyone's mind. People's memories fade and they might change jobs or become harder to contact later, so if you're thinking about getting witness statements, sooner is better than later. The waiting is absolutely brutal but you've got the right mindset - don't let them wear you down! Keep documenting everything, stay on top of those weekly claims, and remember that when you do win (which sounds likely given your documentation), all that back pay will come through at once. We're all rooting for you!
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Holly Lascelles
I'm so sorry you're dealing with this - the uncertainty around ESD claim statuses is incredibly stressful when you're worried about rent! Everyone here has given you excellent advice, but I wanted to add one more resource that helped me during my own adjudication nightmare last year. If you're struggling with immediate needs while waiting, check if your local community colleges have emergency assistance funds for students/community members. Many have small grants ($200-500) for people facing temporary hardship. Also, some churches and community centers run "blessing boxes" or food pantries that don't require proof of income - just show up when you need help. The employer dispute situation is unfortunately super common right now. Companies know the system is overwhelmed and they're betting people will give up or find other work before adjudication completes. It's predatory, but don't let them win. Keep fighting with all that evidence you're gathering - those layoff emails should definitely work in your favor. One last tip: when the adjudicator eventually calls, ask them to repeat back what your employer specifically claimed. Sometimes their stories have inconsistencies that become obvious when stated clearly, and pointing those out can strengthen your case. You've got this - the back pay will be worth the wait!
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