Will my wife's Social Security survivor benefits be reduced if I die before my FRA?
I'm really concerned about what would happen to my wife if I pass away before reaching my full retirement age (67). I'm currently 62 and haven't filed for benefits yet, planning to wait until 70 to maximize my monthly amount. My wife is 59 and plans to wait until her full retirement age to claim any benefits. If something happens to me before I reach my FRA, would her survivor benefits be based on my reduced amount or my full PIA? I've read conflicting information online about whether there's a reduction in survivor benefits when the deceased spouse dies before FRA but the widow waits until her own FRA to collect. Can anyone clarify this?
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QuantumLeap
Your wife will receive your full PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) if she claims survivor benefits at her FRA or later, regardless of when you pass away. The key factor is WHEN SHE CLAIMS, not when you die. If you die before claiming benefits yourself, her survivor benefit would be based on your PIA, with no reduction. This is one of the more confusing aspects of Social Security survivor benefits that many people misunderstand. There's no penalty to her if you die before reaching your FRA as long as she waits until her FRA to claim.
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Emma Wilson
•Thank you for this clear explanation. So even though I haven't filed for benefits yet, she would still get 100% of my PIA if she waits until her FRA? That's a huge relief. I was worried my early death would permanently reduce what she could receive.
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Malik Johnson
My husband died at 64 (before his FRA) last year and I'm getting his full benefit amount now that I'm at my FRA. SSA said I get what he would've gotten at his full retirement age not what he was getting when he died (he took benefits at 62).
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Isabella Santos
•Thats not always true tho, it depends if he was already collecting SS when he died. If he was already collecting reduced benfits, you get that amount or your own, whichever is higher. The system is so confusing!!!
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Ravi Sharma
There's a bit more to consider here. If you die before claiming benefits, your wife would be eligible for your full PIA if she claims at her FRA. However, if you've already claimed reduced benefits when you pass away, the survivor benefit would be limited to the larger of: 1) the actual benefit you were receiving, or 2) 82.5% of your PIA. This is known as the RIB-LIM rule (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation). But since you're planning to wait until 70 and she'll claim at her FRA, she would get your full PIA if you die before filing. The most beneficial scenario would actually be if you file at 70 and then pass away, as she'd then receive your age-70 increased benefit amount.
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Emma Wilson
•This is extremely helpful information. I hadn't heard of the RIB-LIM rule before. So it sounds like my current plan (waiting until 70) is still the best approach for maximizing what she could receive as a survivor. Thanks for the detailed explanation.
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Freya Larsen
I thought survivor benefits were ALWAYS reduced if the person died before FRA?? My sister's getting less than her husband would have gotten because he died at 65. Social security is SO COMPLICATED!!!!
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Ravi Sharma
•Your sister's situation might be different. Is it possible she claimed survivor benefits before reaching her own FRA? That would cause a reduction. Or her husband may have already been receiving reduced benefits when he passed. When the survivor claims and whether the deceased had filed early both affect the final benefit amount.
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Omar Hassan
The amount your wife can receive depends on several factors. If you die before FRA and haven't filed for benefits, she gets your full PIA at her FRA. But watch out for the earnings limit if she works and claims before her FRA! I learned this the hard way when my husband passed. Any income over the annual limit ($21,240 in 2023) results in $1 withheld for every $2 earned. Once she reaches FRA, the earnings limit no longer applies. Also, has she worked enough to qualify for her own benefits? She should compare her own benefit to the survivor benefit and take whichever is higher.
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Emma Wilson
•Yes, she has her own work record but my benefit would be significantly higher. Good point about the earnings limit - she plans to work until at least 65, so that's definitely something to consider. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Isabella Santos
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Emma Wilson
•I've never heard of this service before. Getting through to Social Security can be a nightmare, so I'll definitely keep this in mind. It would be good to talk to someone directly about our specific situation. Thanks for the tip!
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Chloe Taylor
EVERYONE here is missing a CRITICAL point!!! If the original poster dies before FRA but has NOT yet filed for benefits, the widow IS ENTITLED TO A SPECIAL BENEFIT called the WINDEX!!! The Widow's Index calculation gives her MORE than 100% of his PIA in some cases. SSA won't tell you this because they don't want to pay extra!!!
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Ravi Sharma
•I believe you're referring to the Widow's Indexing, not "WINDEX" (which is a glass cleaner). While there is special calculation called the WIPA (Widow's Insurance Benefit Primary Amount), it doesn't provide more than 100% of the deceased's PIA. It's simply a different calculation method that might be more favorable in some circumstances, particularly for widows who are also eligible for retirement benefits on their own record.
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QuantumLeap
To summarize for anyone else with similar questions: If you die before filing for your own benefits, your wife would receive 100% of your PIA if she claims at her FRA. If you file early and then die, she'd get the higher of what you were receiving or 82.5% of your PIA. If you delay until 70 and then pass away, she'd get your increased benefit with delayed retirement credits. Since you're planning to wait until 70 and she'll claim at her FRA, you're already following an optimal strategy for maximizing her potential survivor benefits.
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Malik Johnson
•Reading all this makes me wish I'd understood these rules better before my husband passed. It really matters WHEN you claim benefits, both for yourself and as a survivor. I tell everyone now to learn this stuff BEFORE they need it.
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Gregg Thompson
This string of info is very helpful. If my wife claims SS when she is 62, I wait to claim then pass away, can she still get 100% of my PIA when she is FRA 67?
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Emma Wilson
•Yes, your scenario is actually one of the more flexible aspects of Social Security that I've learned about in my research. If your wife claims her own benefits early at 62 (which would be reduced), and then you pass away after waiting to claim your own benefits, she can still switch to 100% of your PIA when she reaches her full retirement age of 67. The key thing to understand is that claiming her own benefits early only permanently reduces those specific benefits. It doesn't affect what she can receive as survivor benefits later. This is one of those situations where the surviving spouse has options - she can take reduced benefits on her own record early, then switch to the higher survivor benefit at her FRA. This flexibility is actually helpful for financial planning, as it allows her to receive some income earlier while still preserving the right to your maximum survivor benefit later. I've found that these nuances in the Social Security rules aren't always clearly explained online, which is why I've been asking similar questions. I'd still recommend confirming this with the SSA for your specific situation, but this is definitely one of the planning strategies that can work well for couples with age differences like ours.
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Emma Wilson
•Yes, from what I've learned in my research, your wife would be able to get 100% of your PIA when she reaches her full retirement age of 67, even if she claimed her own reduced benefits at 62. Here's how it works: If she takes her own retirement benefit early at 62 (receiving a reduced amount), and you pass away without having claimed your benefits yet, she would have options. When she reaches her FRA at 67, she could switch to survivor benefits and receive 100% of your PIA. The early claiming reduction on her own benefits doesn't carry over to her survivor benefits. These are treated as two separate benefits, and she can switch to the higher amount when eligible. I've been trying to understand all these rules too since they're so important for our spouses' financial security. It's definitely worth confirming this specific scenario with Social Security directly, but this is my understanding of how it would work in your situation.
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