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Connor Murphy

Social Security breakeven point vs life expectancy - worth waiting until 70?

I've been crunching numbers for my SS retirement claiming strategy and keep hearing about the 'breakeven point' - supposedly the age where delaying benefits starts paying off. But I'm wondering if this breakeven point has any relationship to the life expectancy figures the SSA uses? I can't find this information anywhere on the SSA website! More importantly, isn't it logical that the best claiming strategy would be to outlive whatever life expectancy is assigned to your age group, regardless of when you file? I'm 63, in reasonably good health (some high blood pressure but otherwise fine), but my dad only lived to 72 and mom to 76. With so much uncertainty as we age, I keep questioning if it's worth waiting until 70 and possibly leaving money on the table if I don't make it to my 80s. Does anyone know where to find the actual life expectancy tables SSA uses? Or have thoughts on this risk calculation? Some days I think I should just file now instead of waiting.

Yara Nassar

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I spent HOURS researching this exact question last year. The breakeven point is NOT the same as life expectancy. Breakeven is simply the age where delaying benefits starts paying more total $ than filing early. The SSA doesn't actually use mortality tables for determining your benefit amounts! They use actuarial formulas for the early/delayed credits that are supposed to be "actuarially neutral" but those calculations were set up decades ago when lifespans were shorter. Trust me - they DON'T want you to see those calculations because more people would claim early if they understood how the math works against many people.

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Connor Murphy

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That's really interesting! So are you saying the SSA formulas might actually favor claiming earlier than they suggest?

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StarGazer101

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The breakeven point and life expectancy are related concepts but not directly connected in SSA's calculations. The breakeven point is the age at which the cumulative benefits from delaying exceed what you would have received by claiming earlier. SSA doesn't publish their full actuarial life expectancy tables for benefit calculations, but they use data similar to what's available from the CDC. For planning purposes, the Social Security Administration's Period Life Table is a good resource: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html Regarding your strategy, consider that: 1. Monthly benefits increase approximately 8% per year from FRA to age 70 2. If you claim at 63, you'll receive reduced benefits (about 25% less than FRA) 3. If you wait until 70, you'll receive approximately 32% more than at FRA The family longevity history you mentioned is certainly a factor to consider. Have you calculated your actual breakeven age between filing now versus at 70?

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Connor Murphy

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Thank you for the link! I calculated that my breakeven age would be around 82.5 if I wait until 70 versus claiming now. That feels like a gamble given my family history, but I know medical advances mean I could live longer than my parents.

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I filed at 62 and have ZERO regrets!!!! My neighbor waited till 70 and died 6 months later. No one knows when their time is up - get the money while you can enjoy it!

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Paolo Romano

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Same here. Took mine at 62 and now I'm 67 and have already received 5 years of checks my friend who's waiting until 70 hasn't gotten. She might get bigger checks eventually but I've been traveling and enjoying life.

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Amina Diop

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This is actually a complex calculation that depends on multiple factors beyond just mortality statistics. You're right to consider your family history, but also think about: - Your current health status (which sounds decent with just high BP) - Whether you have a spouse who might receive survivor benefits - Your other income sources and tax situation - Inflation expectations The breakeven calculations actually underestimate the value of delaying in many cases because they don't account for the survivor benefit impact. If you're married and are the higher earner, delaying can provide significant protection for your spouse. A strategy many people don't consider is claiming some benefits earlier while letting others grow. For example, if you're married, one spouse might claim early while the other delays until 70. I've helped many clients work through this decision, and there's rarely a single "right" answer, but you should definitely run personalized calculations rather than rely on generic breakeven points.

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Connor Murphy

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I am married, and my benefit would be higher than my wife's. She's 61 now. I hadn't considered how my filing decision would affect her survivor benefits - that's a really important point I need to factor in.

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Amina Diop

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To directly answer your question about where the breakeven point and life expectancy intersect: For a person with average life expectancy, the breakeven age would be approximately 80-82 (depending on exact filing ages being compared). The system is designed so that if you live to your exact statistical life expectancy, you'd receive roughly similar lifetime benefits regardless of when you claim. But that's theoretical. In real life, people don't live exactly to their life expectancy - roughly half live longer and half shorter. That's why this decision needs to be personalized. The 2020 Period Life Table (link shared earlier) shows a 63-year-old male can expect to live to about 82-83 on average. But that doesn't account for your specific health factors or family history.

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Connor Murphy

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Thank you for that clear explanation. So basically, the system is designed where if I live to around 82, it shouldn't matter much when I file. But if I expect to die before 82, filing earlier makes more sense financially (ignoring survivor benefits).

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Yara Nassar

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Look the TRUTH is that Social Security is designed to be neutral for the "average" person but NONE of us are average! Their actuaries use outdated mortality tables that don't reflect modern medicine or lifestyle factors. My financial advisor showed me how the system effectively PENALIZES people with lower-than-average life expectancies (like those with family histories of shorter lifespans or certain medical conditions). The REAL question should be: what's the value of that money to YOU now vs. later? If having that money at 63 would significantly improve your quality of life, take it. No one on their deathbed wishes they'd left more money in government coffers!

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StarGazer101

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While it's true that individual circumstances vary, I should clarify that SSA does regularly update their actuarial projections. The delayed retirement credits (8% per year) were set by Congress, not by SSA actuaries. These credits actually tend to be quite generous for those who live longer than average, which is why financial advisors often recommend delaying for those in good health.

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my friend waited till 70 and got alzheimers at 73 so all that extra money didnt even matter because she couldnt enjoy it. sad but true. life is SHORT grab the money while you can!!!

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Paolo Romano

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I think about this all the time. I'm 67 and still haven't filed. Every month I wonder if I'm making a mistake by waiting. Does anyone know if the life expectancy tables account for income and education level? I've read that makes a big difference.

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Amina Diop

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Great question. The SSA's general life expectancy tables don't account for socioeconomic factors like income and education, even though research clearly shows these have significant impacts on longevity. Higher income and education levels correlate with longer lifespans on average. This is another reason why personalized planning is so important - the general tables might not reflect your specific demographic profile.

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Connor Murphy

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Thank you all for the thoughtful responses! I really appreciate the different perspectives. I hadn't considered the survivor benefit angle at all, which is a major oversight on my part since my wife would likely outlive me based on our family histories. I'm going to take a closer look at that SSA life expectancy table and run some more specific calculations that include the survivor benefit impact. I'm still leaning toward claiming before 70, maybe at my full retirement age of 66 and 6 months, as a middle ground approach. But I feel much better equipped to make this decision now. It's comforting to know others struggle with the same questions!

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Andre Dupont

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Connor, you're making a smart move by considering the survivor benefit angle - that's often the biggest factor people overlook in this decision. Since you mentioned your wife is 61 and would likely outlive you, delaying your benefits (even just to FRA instead of claiming now at 63) could significantly increase her lifetime financial security. Here's something else to consider: at 63, you're still 3.5 years away from your FRA of 66 and 6 months. If you claim now, you'd face a roughly 25% permanent reduction in benefits. But if you can bridge the gap until FRA with other income sources, you'd avoid that early filing penalty while not having to wait all the way until 70. Also, don't forget about the earnings test if you're still working - if you claim before FRA and earn more than about $22,320 annually, they'll withhold $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit. That money gets added back to your benefit later, but it's another complication to factor in. The middle ground approach of claiming at FRA sounds reasonable given your family history concerns while still maximizing the survivor benefit for your wife. You might want to use SSA's online calculator to see the exact dollar differences between your options.

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Natalia Stone

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This is exactly the kind of analysis I needed to see! I hadn't fully grasped how significant that 25% reduction would be for claiming at 63 vs waiting just until FRA. And you're absolutely right about the earnings test - I am still working part-time and would definitely hit that threshold. It sounds like FRA might really be the sweet spot for my situation - avoiding the early filing penalty while not gambling on living well into my 80s to break even on waiting until 70. The survivor benefit protection for my wife makes this feel like a much more responsible choice than my initial impulse to file now.

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Emma Wilson

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As someone who went through this exact decision process two years ago, I want to add another perspective on the life expectancy vs. breakeven calculation. You're absolutely right to question whether the breakeven point relates to SSA's life expectancy data - it doesn't directly, but there's an important connection you should know about. The SSA's actuarial assumptions built into the delayed retirement credit system were designed decades ago when life expectancies were shorter. What this means is that if you have reason to believe you'll live longer than the "average" person from those older tables (better healthcare, higher education, good genes on one side of the family), the 8% annual increase for delaying becomes even more valuable. But here's what really struck me about your situation: you mentioned your wife is younger and would likely outlive you. Have you looked into the "claim and invest" strategy? Some people in your position claim at FRA, then invest the difference between what they would have received versus what they'll eventually get at 70. If you're disciplined about investing that money, you might come out ahead even if you don't live to the traditional breakeven age. One more thought - at 63 with some health concerns, consider getting a more comprehensive health evaluation. Sometimes blood pressure issues can be early indicators of other cardiovascular risks that might influence your longevity projections. Knowledge is power in this decision!

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Ethan Taylor

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Emma, thank you for bringing up the "claim and invest" strategy - I hadn't heard of that approach before! That's a really interesting middle ground that could potentially give me the best of both worlds. Do you happen to know what kind of investment returns you'd need to make that strategy work compared to just delaying benefits? I'm curious about the math behind it. The point about getting a more comprehensive health evaluation is also spot-on. My blood pressure has been creeping up over the past few years, and you're right that it could be signaling other issues I'm not aware of yet. A thorough checkup might give me better data to work with than just relying on my parents' lifespans. I'm really grateful for all these different angles everyone has shared. This decision felt overwhelming when I started, but now I feel like I have a much clearer framework for thinking through all the variables.

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