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Can I claim Social Security widow benefits with CSRS pension and remarriage after 60?

I'm trying to figure out if I qualify for widow benefits based on my late husband's Social Security record. Here's my situation: I currently receive a Federal pension under CSRS (Civil Service Retirement System), which means I didn't pay into Social Security during my government career. My husband passed away after we'd been married for 23 years. About 4.5 years after his death, I remarried at age 63. I've never collected any widow benefits from his Social Security record. I know there's that Government Pension Offset (GPO) that can reduce Social Security benefits for government retirees, but I'm confused about how that applies with the remarriage situation. Does anyone know if I'm eligible for ANY widow benefits from my first husband's Social Security record despite receiving my CSRS pension and having remarried? I keep getting conflicting information and the SSA phone lines are impossible to get through!

Yes, you should still be eligible for widow's benefits! Since you remarried after age 60, that remarriage doesn't prevent you from claiming widow's benefits on your first husband's record. However, your CSRS pension will trigger the Government Pension Offset (GPO), which typically reduces survivor benefits by 2/3 of your government pension amount. For example, if your CSRS pension is $3,000 monthly, then $2,000 (2/3 of $3,000) would be deducted from your potential widow's benefit. So if your widow's benefit would be $1,800, after the GPO you'd only receive $0 since the offset is more than the benefit amount. But if the widow's benefit would be $2,500, you might still get $500 after the offset. I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to have them calculate the exact numbers for your situation.

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Thank you for explaining that! I didn't realize the remarriage after 60 rule still applied even with the government pension situation. I'll try to get an appointment with SSA to run the numbers, but I've been calling for weeks and can't get through. Do you know if there's a way to calculate this myself so I can see if it's even worth pursuing?

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ur CSRS is probly going to wipe out most or all of the widow benfit. GPO takes 2/3 of ur pension off the top. but still worth checking cause if ur husband had really high SS earnings you might get something. also depends on what age u take it, FRA gives u 100% of his benefit (before GPO) but early is less

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This happened to my mom too. Her teacher's pension wiped out ALL of her widow benefits from dad's Social Security. Such a disappointing system. They call it the "government pension offset" but I call it the "widow penalty" - she worked her whole life as a teacher AND took care of my dad when he was sick, and now gets punished for it. Still makes me angry!

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The remarriage rules and GPO rules operate independently. Since you remarried after age 60, you CAN claim widow benefits based on your first husband's record. However, the Government Pension Offset will still apply. The GPO will reduce your widow benefit by 2/3 of your CSRS pension. Example: - If your CSRS pension is $4,200/month - 2/3 of that is $2,800 - If your potential widow benefit is $2,500/month - After GPO: $0 because the reduction is more than the benefit BUT if your husband had very high lifetime earnings, it's possible you could still get something. I'd suggest getting your husband's earnings history and benefit estimate from SSA to do a proper calculation. And very important - even if the GPO eliminates your benefit now, if your CSRS pension ever decreases (some federal pensions have survivor benefit reductions), you might become eligible for some widow benefits later.

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The whole GPO thing is SO UNFAIR! I paid into my pension AND my husband paid into Social Security for 40+ years, and now the government just TAKES AWAY benefits we EARNED! What's the point of even applying when they're just going to take it all away?!?! These rules make NO SENSE!!

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I've never heard of this service but I'm going to check it out right now. I've been trying to get through to SSA for almost a month with no luck. At this point I just need answers from someone who can actually access my record and my late husband's information. Thanks for sharing this!

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I work with federal retirees, and this situation comes up frequently. Here's what you need to know: 1. The remarriage after 60 rule does allow you to claim widow benefits despite remarrying 2. The GPO will still reduce those benefits by 2/3 of your CSRS pension 3. There are NO exceptions to GPO for CSRS employees (some people confuse this with the WEP exceptions) What I recommend: - Get an official benefit calculation from SSA - Have them calculate what your widow benefit would be at different claiming ages (62, FRA, 70) - Check if your husband had exceptionally high earnings that might result in a benefit that exceeds your GPO reduction In about 80% of CSRS cases I see, the GPO eliminates widow benefits entirely, but it's still worth checking. Also important - if you had any substantial earnings under Social Security yourself (40+ quarters), you might want to look at your own retirement benefit too, though WEP would affect that.

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Thank you for this detailed information. My husband did have very high earnings as an executive for many years, so maybe there's a chance I could get something. I worked briefly in the private sector before my government career but only had about 32 quarters of coverage, so I don't think I'll qualify for my own Social Security retirement benefit. I'll definitely pursue getting the official calculation from SSA.

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My mother went through exactly this - CSRS pension and widow benefits. After all the calculations, she got a whopping $37 a month in widow benefits because her pension offset was so large. But hey, that's still $444 a year she wouldn't have otherwise! Definitely worth applying even if you only get a small amount.

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Only $37?!? That's practically insulting after all the years her husband paid into the system. The government should be ashamed! These offset rules just punish loyal government employees who chose careers serving their country. It's outrageous!!

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Actually, even small amounts can add up over time, plus receiving even $1 of SS benefits can qualify you for other programs in some states. And remember that COLA increases apply to SS benefits, so that $37 will increase slightly each year with inflation adjustments.

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my aunt got hit by GPO and WEP both...worked 18 yrs for the post office (CSRS) and 22 yrs in private sector. her own SS benefit got WEP'd and her widow benefit got GPO'd. ended up with just $220/mo from SS plus her CSRS pension. system is so confusing

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One more thing to consider - if your current spouse (the one you remarried at 63) passes away, you could potentially claim widow benefits on THEIR record too. In that scenario, you'd get the higher of the two widow benefits (after GPO reduction), not both. Something to keep in mind for future planning.

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That's a good point I hadn't considered. My current husband also has a good earnings record with Social Security. I hope I don't have to face that situation for many years, but it's helpful to understand all the options. This system is so complex!

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