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Marina Hendrix

NYS Department of Labor benefit payments affecting tax revenue - what happens to the amount of money the government collects taxes if unemployment is high?

I've been thinking about this while on unemployment - when lots of people are collecting UI benefits from NYS Department of Labor instead of working, doesn't that mean the government is collecting way less in taxes? Like, I'm getting $504 a week but I'm not paying into social security or state taxes like I was when I had my job at the warehouse. My brother says the government actually loses money twice - once from not collecting our taxes, and again from paying out benefits. Is this how it really works? I'm curious if anyone knows how this affects things long-term.

Justin Trejo

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You're absolutely right about the double impact. When unemployment is high, tax revenue drops significantly because fewer people are earning wages subject to payroll taxes, income taxes, and state taxes. At the same time, government spending on unemployment benefits increases dramatically. NYS Department of Labor benefits are funded through employer payroll taxes, but during recessions those same employers often lay people off, creating a funding shortfall.

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So basically the system works when most people are employed but struggles when lots of people need it? That seems backwards.

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Alana Willis

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yeah this is exactly what happened during covid, my company laid off half the staff and suddenly we all went from paying taxes to collecting benefits, must have been a nightmare for the budget people

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Tyler Murphy

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The economics are complex but you've identified the key issue. High unemployment creates what economists call a 'fiscal drag' - reduced revenue plus increased spending. NYS Department of Labor has to balance benefit payments with available funds from employer contributions. When unemployment spikes, states often have to borrow from federal programs or raise employer tax rates to maintain solvency.

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Sara Unger

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Is this why my former employer told me their unemployment insurance rates went up this year? They said it was because of all the claims filed in our industry.

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Thanks! I've been trying to call for weeks about whether I need to have taxes withheld from my benefits.

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Freya Ross

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don't forget that unemployed people still spend money which generates sales tax revenue, it's not like the government loses ALL tax income from unemployed people

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Justin Trejo

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Good point about sales taxes, though the spending patterns change significantly. People on unemployment typically reduce discretionary spending, which affects overall economic activity and tax generation. It's a cascading effect that goes beyond just the direct loss of income taxes.

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