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Ryan Andre

Am I liable for federal unemployment tax - NYS Department of Labor question

I just started my own small business in upstate New York and I'm trying to figure out if I need to pay federal unemployment tax. I have two part-time employees right now but I'm planning to hire more people next year. Someone told me there's different rules for NYS Department of Labor stuff versus federal requirements. I'm getting really confused about when I become liable and what I need to do. Do I need to register with NYS Department of Labor first or is this all handled federally? Any guidance would be super helpful because I don't want to mess this up.

Lauren Zeb

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Yes, you'll likely be liable for both federal (FUTA) and state unemployment taxes once you meet certain thresholds. For federal, you're generally liable if you pay wages of $1,500 or more in any calendar quarter, or if you have one or more employees for at least part of a day in 20 or more different weeks. For NYS Department of Labor, you need to register as an employer and pay state unemployment insurance taxes. The federal and state systems work together but have separate registration requirements.

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Ryan Andre

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So I need to register with both? That seems like a lot of paperwork. How do I know if I've hit those thresholds already?

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been there! when i started my business i was so confused about all this stuff. had to call the IRS like 5 times to understand FUTA vs SUTA

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You'll want to register with the NYS Department of Labor as soon as you hire your first employee. Don't wait until you hit the federal thresholds. For the federal side, you'll file Form 940 annually, and for state you'll typically pay quarterly. The NYS Department of Labor has an online employer services portal where you can register and manage your account. Keep detailed payroll records because both systems require accurate wage reporting.

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Anthony Young

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I wish someone had told me about the quarterly payments when I started. Got hit with penalties because I thought it was all annual like income taxes.

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Ryan Andre

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That sounds too good to be true but honestly I'm desperate at this point. The phone system is impossible.

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Admin_Masters

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THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS SET UP TO CONFUSE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS! They make it so complicated with all these different thresholds and requirements. Why can't they just have ONE place to register for everything instead of making us jump through hoops with federal AND state agencies?

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Lauren Zeb

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To answer your specific question - yes, you're likely already liable based on what you described. With two employees, you should register with NYS Department of Labor immediately and start tracking your quarterly wages. For federal, if you're paying more than $1,500 in any quarter, you'll need to file Form 940. Better to register early and stay compliant than deal with penalties later.

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Ryan Andre

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Okay, I'll start with the NYS Department of Labor registration first thing Monday morning. Thanks for the clear explanation!

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