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Everett Tutum

Why are zero taxes being taken out of employee paychecks? How to fix it?

So I handle the new hire paperwork at a mid-sized company (around 175 employees) and I've been getting really concerned lately. Over the past 8 months, I've received at least 6 different calls from employees saying they have ZERO federal taxes being withheld from their paychecks. I've checked their W-4 forms and everything looks normal - they didn't claim any weird exemptions or check any strange boxes. When I look at their pay stubs, I can see that FICA and Medicare are being taken out correctly, but Federal Income Tax shows $0.00 every time. What's freaking me out is that these employees will end up owing a ton when they file their 2025 taxes, and I feel partly responsible since I process their initial paperwork. I've reached out to our payroll provider but keep getting generic responses about "withholding calculations based on employee elections." But these people aren't electing anything unusual! Has anyone else in HR or payroll experienced this? Is this something wrong with our payroll system? Or is there some new tax rule I'm completely missing? Really need help figuring out why this is happening and how to fix it ASAP.

Sunny Wang

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This is actually more common than you might think and there are several possible explanations. The most likely cause is that the employees' income falls below the threshold where federal income tax would be withheld based on their W-4 information. The 2023 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act increased the standard deduction substantially, and combined with certain credits, some employees legitimately may not owe federal income tax. Another possibility is that they've claimed too many dependents or deductions on their W-4s. The newer W-4 forms (post-2020) don't use allowances anymore, but employees can still indicate additional deductions or multiple jobs that affect withholding calculations. I'd recommend reviewing their W-4s again specifically looking at Step 2 (multiple jobs), Step 3 (dependents/credits), and Step 4 (other adjustments). Also check if they're working very few hours or making under certain thresholds.

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Everett Tutum

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Thanks for the detailed response! I've double-checked a few of the W-4s and none of them have anything filled out in Step 3 or 4. Most are pretty basic with just name, address, filing status (usually single). They're all full-time employees making between $45-65k annually, so definitely above any minimum threshold. What's really weird is that SOME new hires with virtually identical W-4s and similar salaries ARE having federal taxes withheld normally. Could our payroll system be glitching somehow? Should I advise these employees to submit new W-4s even though the current ones look fine?

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Sunny Wang

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That is definitely unusual then. With incomes in the $45-65k range and standard W-4 information, they should absolutely have federal tax withholding. This sounds like it could be a technical issue with your payroll system. I would recommend having the affected employees submit new W-4 forms as a first step - sometimes re-entering the information can resolve technical glitches. Also, ask your payroll provider for specific calculation details for a couple of these employees - they should be able to show you exactly how they're arriving at zero withholding. If those steps don't resolve it, consider having your IT team or an external consultant check if there's a data mapping issue between your onboarding system and the payroll processor. Sometimes fields don't transfer correctly between systems.

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Melissa Lin

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Val Rossi

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Eve Freeman

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This might be a simple explanation, but have you checked if these employees have selected "Exempt" somewhere on their W-4s? On the newer forms, it's in Step 4, but some employees check this box without understanding what it means. They think it exempts them from something bad when it actually exempts them from withholding altogether! I've seen this happen several times with new hires who don't understand tax forms very well. They see "exempt" and think "oh that sounds good" without realizing they're setting themselves up for a huge tax bill later.

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Everett Tutum

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That was actually the first thing I checked! None of them have "Exempt" selected - I'm pretty careful about flagging that during onboarding since I know it causes problems. These W-4s are completely standard with just basic info and standard filing status selections. That's why I'm so confused!

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Eve Freeman

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Hmm, that is really strange then. Another thing to check - are these particular employees being coded as independent contractors (1099) instead of employees (W-2) in the system? I've seen payroll systems that don't withhold taxes when someone is miscategorized this way, though FICA and Medicare withholding would typically be missing too if that were the case. Also, check if there's any kind of special pay code being assigned to these particular employees. Sometimes special bonuses or reimbursements get coded in ways that bypass normal withholding.

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Have you checked if these specific employees might have student loan forgiveness that's being incorrectly applied in your payroll system? There was a weird bug in QuickBooks Payroll last year where employees who indicated they had student loans were sometimes getting zero federal withholding due to a misinterpretation of the temporary COVID relief measures (even though those expired long ago).

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Caden Turner

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That's a really specific issue! How did you even figure that out? I work in payroll and have never heard of this particular bug.

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I'm dealing with something very similar at my company right now! We've had about 4 employees in the past few months with the exact same issue - zero federal withholding despite normal-looking W-4s and salaries in the $50-70k range. What helped us identify the root cause was creating a spreadsheet comparing all the affected employees' data points - hire dates, salary amounts, department codes, etc. We discovered that all of our problem cases were hired within a specific 6-week window when our payroll system had received an update. I'd recommend documenting everything systematically: exact hire dates, salary amounts, which payroll runs they first appeared in, and any system updates that happened around those times. This pattern recognition approach helped us provide much more specific information to our payroll provider, who was finally able to trace it back to a configuration error that occurred during their system update. Also, definitely have those employees submit amended W-4s in the meantime - even if the forms look identical, sometimes re-processing them through the current system version can resolve the issue while you're working on the bigger fix.

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Connor Murphy

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This is such a helpful approach! I never thought about looking for patterns in hire dates and system updates. That's really smart detective work. I'm going to go back through our records and see if there's a similar pattern with our affected employees. Now that you mention it, I think most of these cases might have started appearing around the time our payroll provider did their quarterly update in late 2024. The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I can easily pull hire dates, salary info, and department codes from our HRIS system. Did you find any other data points that were useful to track? And how long did it take your payroll provider to actually fix the configuration error once you gave them the pattern data?

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Jake Sinclair

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This sounds like a classic payroll system configuration issue that I've seen with several mid-sized companies. The fact that FICA and Medicare are being withheld correctly but federal income tax shows $0.00 suggests the problem is specifically with how your system is calculating federal withholding, not a complete failure of the tax withholding process. Given that you mention these are employees making $45-65k with standard W-4s, this is definitely not normal and they will face significant tax bills if not resolved soon. Here's what I'd recommend as immediate steps: 1. **Document the pattern**: Create a list of all affected employees with their hire dates, salary amounts, and when the zero withholding first appeared. Often these issues are tied to specific system updates or configuration changes. 2. **Request detailed calculations**: Ask your payroll provider to show you the exact step-by-step withholding calculation for 2-3 affected employees. They should be able to demonstrate how they arrive at $0.00 federal withholding. 3. **Have employees resubmit W-4s**: Even though the current forms look correct, having them fill out fresh W-4s can sometimes resolve data processing glitches. 4. **Escalate with your payroll provider**: Don't accept generic responses. Request to speak with a technical specialist who can review your system configuration, especially any recent updates or changes. Time is critical here since we're already well into 2025 - the longer this goes on, the bigger the catch-up withholding shock will be for these employees when it's finally corrected.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I especially appreciate the point about time being critical - I hadn't fully considered how much worse the catch-up withholding shock will be if we don't get this resolved soon. I'm definitely going to push harder with our payroll provider for those detailed calculations. Every time I've called so far, I feel like I'm getting shuffled to first-level support who just read from scripts. Do you have any tips for getting escalated to the technical specialists? Should I mention specific technical terms or reference particular tax codes when I call? Also, when you say "catch-up withholding shock," are you referring to having to suddenly withhold much larger amounts from future paychecks to make up for the missed withholding? I'm worried these employees are going to be really upset when their take-home pay suddenly drops significantly once we fix this.

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Jackie Martinez

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I've been following this thread and want to add a few technical points that might help. As someone who's dealt with similar payroll system issues, the zero federal withholding problem often stems from one of three specific technical issues: 1. **Tax table mapping errors**: Sometimes after system updates, the federal tax tables don't properly map to employee records, even though state taxes (and FICA/Medicare which use different tables) continue working normally. 2. **W-4 field parsing problems**: The 2020 W-4 redesign uses different data fields than the old allowance-based system. Some payroll systems have bugs where they misinterpret blank fields as "zero tax liability" rather than "standard withholding." 3. **Employee classification flags**: There might be a backend flag incorrectly marking these employees as exempt or non-resident, even though their visible W-4 data appears normal. For escalating with your payroll provider, ask specifically for "Tier 2 tax compliance support" and mention you need "federal withholding calculation diagnostics" rather than general troubleshooting. Use terms like "Publication 15-T calculations" and "percentage method verification" - this signals you need someone who understands the technical tax computation process. Also consider running a payroll register report for the affected employees and comparing the tax calculation details line-by-line with employees who have correct withholding. Sometimes the pattern becomes obvious when you see the raw calculation data side by side.

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Connor Murphy

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This is incredibly helpful technical detail! I work in payroll administration and the three specific technical issues you outlined perfectly describe what we should be looking for. The tax table mapping error explanation makes so much sense - it would explain why FICA/Medicare continue working while federal withholding fails. I'm definitely going to use those exact phrases when I call our payroll provider tomorrow. "Tier 2 tax compliance support" and "Publication 15-T calculations" sound much more specific than my usual "something's wrong with withholding" approach. The payroll register comparison is a great idea too. I can easily pull reports for affected vs. unaffected employees and see if there are obvious differences in how the calculations are being processed. Do you know if most payroll systems show the intermediate calculation steps in these reports, or just the final withholding amounts? Also, regarding the employee classification flags you mentioned - is there a way to check these backend flags, or would that require our payroll provider to investigate on their end?

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