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Nalani Liu

Who pays the taxes for a UTMA account my father-in-law opened?

So my father-in-law recently opened a UTMA (Uniform Transfers to Minors Act) account for my 9-year-old daughter. He deposited about $15,000 as a gift for her college fund, which is super generous. But now he's telling me that since she's my dependent, I'm responsible for paying any taxes on the investment gains in that account. I wasn't even consulted before he set this up, and while I'm obviously grateful for the gift toward her future, I'm confused about whether I'm really on the hook for taxes on investments I didn't choose or authorize. I've tried reading up on UTMA tax rules, but I'm getting contradicting information. Does anyone know definitively who is responsible for taxes on a UTMA account? Is it the custodian (him), the minor (my daughter), or me as the parent since she's my dependent? And if it is me, is there anything I can do to transfer the tax burden or at least have some say in the investment choices?

Axel Bourke

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This is actually a common misunderstanding. With UTMA accounts, the tax responsibility falls to the child (the minor who owns the account), not the parents. Income from a UTMA is reported under the child's Social Security number, not yours. Here's how it typically works: The first $1,200 (for 2025) of unearned income (interest, dividends, capital gains) is either tax-free or taxed at the child's rate. Any unearned income above that amount for a dependent child under 18 (or under 24 if a full-time student) is generally taxed at the parent's rate - this is called the "kiddie tax." So technically, it's your daughter's tax obligation, not yours, though you may end up paying it through the kiddie tax rules if the account generates significant income. But importantly, this doesn't mean you personally are directly liable for the taxes - it's still her income, just potentially taxed at your rate. Your father-in-law, as the custodian, has fiduciary responsibilities to manage the account properly, but the tax liability doesn't fall on him either.

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Nalani Liu

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Thank you for explaining! So if I understand correctly, the income is my daughter's, taxed using her SSN, and she would only pay taxes if the unearned income exceeds $1,200? And then anything above that would be at my tax rate because of kiddie tax rules? I think my father-in-law misunderstood completely then. He was acting like I personally would have to report all of this on my own tax return directly. That makes more sense though that it's technically her income. Do you know if I need to file a separate tax return for her? She's never had to file before since she's a kid.

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Axel Bourke

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You've got it right about it being your daughter's income and the $1,200 threshold. For income below that amount, she likely won't owe any tax at all due to the standard deduction for unearned income and other exemptions available to minors. If her UTMA generates more than $1,200 in unearned income, then yes, you'll need to file a separate tax return for her. You'd use Form 8615 to calculate the kiddie tax, which applies your tax rate to her income above that threshold. Some parents can elect to include their child's income on their own return using Form 8814, but there are specific requirements and it's not always the most tax-advantageous choice.

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Norman Fraser

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Kendrick Webb

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Dyllan Nantx

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Just wanted to add a different perspective here. My parents set up UTMAs for all my kids, and we actually restructured them as 529 plans instead. Here's why: with a 529, you maintain control of the assets (not your daughter when she reaches age of majority), AND the earnings grow tax-free if used for education expenses. With the UTMA, your daughter legally gets control of the money at either 18 or 21 (depending on your state), and she can use it for ANYTHING, not just education. Plus, large UTMAs can impact financial aid eligibility more negatively than 529s. Maybe talk to your father-in-law about whether a 529 might better accomplish what he's trying to do? Just a thought.

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Nalani Liu

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That's an interesting suggestion! I hadn't thought about trying to convert it to a 529. Is that complicated to do? And would there be any tax consequences for making that switch? Also, good point about her getting control at the age of majority. Not that I don't trust my daughter, but I'd rather she use this for education as intended rather than buying a car or something when she turns 18.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Converting an existing UTMA to a 529 is actually pretty straightforward. The UTMA custodian can open what's called an "UTMA 529" or "Custodial 529" and transfer the assets. There are no immediate tax consequences for the transfer itself. The main thing to understand is that even as a 529, it still retains the UTMA ownership rules - meaning your daughter still gets control at the age of majority in your state. The difference is that if she withdraws money for non-education expenses from a 529, she'll pay income tax plus a 10% penalty on the earnings portion, which creates a strong incentive to use it for its intended purpose.

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Does anyone know if the new tax law changes for 2025 affect UTMAs at all? I heard something about the kiddie tax thresholds changing but cant find clear info.

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Anna Xian

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The kiddie tax threshold is increasing from $1,150 to $1,200 for 2025. Not a huge change, but something. Also, investment income tax rates stayed the same despite some fears they might increase. One big thing to watch is the standard deduction for dependents with unearned income - it's up to $1,250 for 2025.

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Aisha Hussain

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with something similar - my mother-in-law set up a UTMA for my twin boys without really discussing the details with us first. I've been stressed about the tax implications, but reading through everyone's responses has really clarified things. One thing I'm still wondering about though - if the UTMA generates losses instead of gains (like if the investments go down), can those losses be used to offset other income on my daughter's return? Or do the same kiddie tax rules apply to losses too? Also, @Nalani Liu, I'd definitely recommend having a conversation with your father-in-law about the investment choices in the account. Even though he's the custodian, since you're the one who might end up dealing with the tax consequences through the kiddie tax, it seems reasonable to have some input on how conservatively or aggressively the money is invested.

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CosmosCaptain

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Great question about losses! Capital losses on a UTMA can indeed be used to offset capital gains, but there are limitations. If there are net capital losses, only $3,000 per year can be deducted against other types of income (like interest or dividends from the same account). Any excess losses carry forward to future years. The kiddie tax rules don't really apply to losses since they're designed to prevent income shifting - losses actually work in the child's favor tax-wise. But keep in mind that if your daughter has very little other income, those loss deductions might not provide much immediate benefit since she's likely in a very low (or zero) tax bracket anyway. You're absolutely right about having input on investment choices! Even though the custodian has legal authority over the account, most reasonable grandparents would want to coordinate with the parents, especially knowing that the tax consequences could affect the family. It's definitely worth having that conversation about risk tolerance and investment strategy.

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Ally Tailer

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a tax preparer and I see confusion about UTMA/UGMA accounts all the time. A few additional points that might help: 1. **State variations matter** - While federal tax rules are consistent, some states have different age of majority rules for UTMA accounts (18 vs 21 vs 25). This affects when your daughter gains full control AND can impact state tax obligations. 2. **Record keeping is crucial** - Make sure your father-in-law provides you with all 1099 forms and transaction records each year. You'll need these for your daughter's tax return, and it's easy for custodians to forget to share them with parents. 3. **Consider the timing** - If the account is generating significant income now while your daughter is young, you might want to discuss with your father-in-law whether it makes sense to shift to more growth-oriented investments that produce less current taxable income but more long-term appreciation. The good news is that $15,000 invested conservatively probably won't generate enough income to trigger major tax issues right away, but it's smart that you're thinking about this now rather than being surprised at tax time!

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Dylan Baskin

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Thank you so much for these additional insights, @Ally Tailer! The point about state variations is really important - I hadn't even thought to check what the age of majority is in our state for UTMA accounts. I'll definitely need to look that up. Your suggestion about shifting to growth-oriented investments is interesting too. Right now I have no idea what my father-in-law invested the money in, but if it's generating a lot of current income that could trigger kiddie tax issues, it might make sense to have a conversation about rebalancing toward investments that grow in value but don't produce much taxable income until they're sold. The record keeping point is huge - I can already see myself scrambling around tax time trying to track down forms if we don't get organized about this now. I should probably set up a system to make sure I get copies of everything. Really appreciate everyone's help in this thread! This community is amazing for breaking down these complicated tax situations.

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Sara Unger

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the impact on financial aid eligibility. UTMA/UGMA accounts are considered the child's assets for FAFSA purposes, which means they're assessed at a much higher rate (20%) than parent assets (5.64%) when calculating expected family contribution for college aid. So while your father-in-law's $15,000 gift is incredibly generous, it could potentially reduce your daughter's financial aid eligibility by about $3,000 per year when she applies for college. This is another reason why the 529 conversion that @Dyllan Nantx suggested might be worth considering - 529 plans owned by grandparents aren't reported as assets on the FAFSA at all (though distributions from them do count as untaxed income to the student). It might be worth having a broader conversation with your father-in-law about the overall college funding strategy, especially if he plans to make additional contributions over the years. There are ways to structure gifts that minimize both tax consequences and financial aid impact while still accomplishing his generous goal of helping with your daughter's education.

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This is such an important point about FAFSA implications that I hadn't even considered! The difference between 20% assessment for student assets versus 5.64% for parent assets is huge. @Sara Unger, when you mention that grandparent-owned 529 plans aren't reported as assets on FAFSA, does that mean my father-in-law could open a separate 529 in his own name instead of converting the existing UTMA? That way he'd maintain control of the funds and it wouldn't impact financial aid eligibility at all? I'm starting to think we really need to have a comprehensive conversation with him about the long-term strategy here. Between the tax implications, the loss of control when my daughter reaches majority age, and now the financial aid impact, it sounds like there might be better ways to structure this generous gift. Has anyone dealt with transitioning from a UTMA to a grandparent-owned 529? I'm wondering if there are any restrictions or tax consequences for making that kind of change.

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Chris Elmeda

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Great question about transitioning strategies! Yes, your father-in-law could potentially open a separate 529 plan in his own name, but there would be tax implications for liquidating the existing UTMA to fund it. When the UTMA investments are sold, any capital gains would be subject to the kiddie tax rules we discussed earlier. However, there's a timing strategy that might work better: your father-in-law could open his own 529 now for future contributions, while leaving the existing UTMA to grow until your daughter is closer to college age. By the time she's in high school, the UTMA assets could be strategically spent down on qualifying educational expenses (like test prep, college visits, etc.) or even used for her first year of college when the FAFSA impact matters less. Another option is the "grandparent strategy" - wait until after your daughter's sophomore year of college to take distributions from a grandparent-owned 529, since FAFSA looks at prior-prior year income. That way the distributions won't affect her junior/senior year aid eligibility. The key is having that comprehensive conversation with your father-in-law sooner rather than later, since these strategies work best when planned in advance. A fee-only financial planner who specializes in education funding might be worth consulting, especially if he's planning to make additional gifts over the years.

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Elijah O'Reilly

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This is all incredibly helpful information! As someone new to navigating these types of financial gifts for children, I had no idea there were so many interconnected considerations - taxes, financial aid, control issues, timing strategies, etc. @Chris Elmeda, the idea of strategically spending down the UTMA on qualifying educational expenses during high school is really clever. Things like SAT prep, college application fees, and campus visits add up quickly, so using the UTMA funds for those could help reduce the balance before FAFSA becomes a factor. I'm definitely feeling like we need professional guidance on this. The "grandparent strategy" you mentioned for 529 distributions sounds promising too, but coordinating all of these different timing elements seems complex. For anyone else reading this thread who might be in a similar situation - it's clear that while these accounts can be wonderful gifts, having conversations about the broader strategy BEFORE the accounts are opened would save everyone a lot of complexity later! I'll definitely be proactive about discussing this with my father-in-law and possibly bringing in a financial planner to help optimize the approach going forward. Thanks everyone for such thoughtful and detailed responses!

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Asher Levin

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As a tax professional who's handled many UTMA situations, I want to emphasize one crucial point that could save you headaches down the road: **get everything in writing with your father-in-law now**. Since he's the custodian, he has legal control over investment decisions, but those decisions directly impact your family's tax situation. I'd strongly recommend drafting a simple agreement that outlines: - How investment gains/losses will be handled tax-wise (who prepares returns, who pays any taxes owed) - What types of investments are appropriate given your family's tax situation - How you'll coordinate on receiving necessary tax documents each year - Whether you have input on major investment decisions I've seen too many family conflicts arise when grandparents mean well but don't fully understand the ongoing responsibilities they're creating for parents. Having clear expectations upfront protects everyone and ensures this generous gift doesn't become a source of stress. Also, given all the excellent points raised about FAFSA implications and alternative strategies, this might be the perfect time to suggest bringing in a financial planner for a family meeting. Frame it as wanting to make sure you're maximizing the benefit of his generous gift rather than questioning his decision.

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Paolo Conti

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This is such excellent advice about getting everything in writing! As someone who's new to dealing with custodial accounts, I really appreciate the practical guidance on what specific points to cover in an agreement. @Asher Levin, your suggestion about framing a financial planner consultation as "maximizing the benefit of his gift" is brilliant - that positions it as appreciation rather than criticism of his decision. I think my father-in-law would be much more receptive to that approach. I'm curious - in your experience, do most grandparents who set up these accounts realize all the ongoing responsibilities they're creating? It seems like the tax and FAFSA implications aren't always well understood upfront. I wonder if financial institutions do a good job of explaining these nuances when accounts are opened. Either way, this thread has been incredibly educational. I feel much more prepared to have productive conversations with my father-in-law about optimizing this generous gift for everyone involved. Thank you for the professional perspective!

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