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Mateo Perez

Who can legally claim auto insurance as a business expense on taxes?

I'm trying to figure out a confusing situation with auto insurance and tax deductions. Here's the setup: My brother has the auto insurance policy in his name (he's the official policyholder). Since he's really bad with technology, I handle all his online account management. While the policy and online account are both in his name, the payments actually come from MY bank account. The process is: he gives me cash, I deposit it in my account, and then I pay the insurance bill from my account. Here's where I'm confused - I'm self-employed (online consultant) and use my vehicle partly for business. Can I claim the auto insurance as a business expense on my taxes even though the policy isn't in my name? Or can only my brother claim it since he's the actual policyholder? I'm trying to maximize my legitimate deductions but don't want to mess up and trigger an audit. If it matters, the payments have been happening this way for about 3 years now.

Aisha Rahman

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This is an interesting situation! The general rule for business expenses is that you can only deduct expenses that are both ordinary and necessary for YOUR business, and that YOU have actually paid for. In your case, there's a disconnect between who owns the policy (your brother) and who's making the payments (you). The fact that your brother gives you cash first complicates things further because essentially, he IS paying for the insurance - just using you as an intermediary. If you want to claim the insurance as a business expense, you would need to establish that you're the true economic payer AND that the insurance covers a vehicle you use for business. The current arrangement makes this difficult to prove to the IRS.

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But what if they formalized the arrangement? Like if the brother officially "rented" the car to OP for business use? Would that create a path for the deduction?

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Aisha Rahman

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That's a good question. Formalizing the arrangement with a rental agreement could potentially create a legitimate business expense, but it also creates other complications. If they created a formal vehicle rental arrangement, the brother would need to report the rental income on his taxes, and the OP could potentially deduct the rental expense (which could include insurance costs). However, this creates more paperwork and potential tax liability for the brother, so they would need to carefully consider if the potential deduction is worth the additional complexity.

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Everyone's overthinking this. If you're self-employed and using your vehicle for business, you should just get the insurance policy transferred to your name. Then there's no question about who can claim it. The current arrangement seems unnecessarily complicated and is a potential audit flag.

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Mateo Perez

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Thanks for the suggestion, but unfortunately it's not that simple in our case. My brother has a multi-car discount policy that would be significantly more expensive if we split it up. Also, his driving record is better than mine, so our total costs would increase by about $780/year if I got my own policy. That's why we've kept this arrangement going. I'm wondering if there's a way to make it work tax-wise without actually changing the policy.

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That makes sense about the multi-car discount. In that case, I'd suggest creating a formal agreement between you and your brother. Have him "bill" you for the insurance with a simple invoice each month, and pay him by check or electronic transfer that clearly states "vehicle insurance" in the memo/notes. Keep these records organized. This creates a paper trail showing you're paying for a legitimate business expense. On your Schedule C, you'd list it as "vehicle insurance" under car expenses. Just be aware you can only deduct the percentage used for business - if you use the car 60% for business and 40% personal, you can only deduct 60% of what you pay.

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Mei Liu

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The IRS looks at substance over form. If your brother gives you money specifically for the insurance, and you're just the payment processor, then in substance HE is paying the insurance and should claim the deduction (if he can). On the other hand, if YOU are paying from your funds and he's not reimbursing you, then you could potentially claim it.

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This is the correct answer. The "substance over form" doctrine is exactly what the IRS would apply here. It doesn't matter whose bank account the payment comes from - it matters who is the economic payer. If brother gives cash first, then brother is the economic payer.

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