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Fatima Al-Hashemi

Which RSU shares should I sell first to minimize my tax burden?

I've got a bunch of RSU shares that vested throughout the past couple years, and I'm looking to cash out some of them. The problem is they all vested at different price points, so I've got a real mixed bag - some have decent capital gains, others are sitting at losses, and my most recent batch just vested so they're basically at breakeven (no real gain/loss). My instinct is telling me I should prioritize selling the ones with the biggest capital losses first to offset other income, but I wanted to check if this makes sense or if I'm missing something important here? This is my first time dealing with selling RSUs since joining my company and I want to make sure I'm not screwing myself over for next year's taxes.

Your instinct about selling shares with capital losses first generally makes sense, but there's more nuance to this strategy. When you sell RSU shares at a loss, you can use those losses to offset capital gains from other investments and potentially deduct up to $3,000 against ordinary income. This is called tax-loss harvesting. However, remember that when RSUs vest, you've already paid income tax on their fair market value at vesting. Your cost basis for these shares is that vesting price. So when considering which to sell, you should look at both your current cash needs and your overall tax situation. If you have capital gains elsewhere that need offsetting, selling the loss shares makes sense. If you don't have other gains to offset, you might consider holding the loss shares until they hopefully recover, while selling the zero-gain shares since there's no immediate tax consequence.

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What about wash sale rules? If I sell my RSUs at a loss but then more RSUs vest within 30 days, does that mess up my ability to claim the capital loss?

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Great question about wash sale rules. The wash sale rule prevents you from claiming a loss if you purchase "substantially identical" securities within 30 days before or after selling shares at a loss. With RSUs, this can indeed be tricky because new shares vesting could potentially trigger a wash sale. If you're regularly receiving RSU vestings, you might want to plan your sales carefully around your vesting schedule. For example, you could sell loss-making shares more than 30 days before your next vesting date. Alternatively, if you have the option, you could sell enough shares to cover the entire 30-day window after a sale.

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Ava Thompson

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Dmitry Volkov

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CyberSiren

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Yara Khoury

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Something else to consider that nobody's mentioned yet - if you're selling RSUs, don't forget about state taxes too! I live in California and made the mistake of only focusing on federal tax implications when selling my RSUs last year. The state tax hit was WAY higher than I expected, especially on the shares with significant gains. Might be worth factoring that in when you're deciding which lots to sell.

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Keisha Taylor

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Good point about state taxes. Do you know if the same loss harvesting strategies work for state taxes or does it vary by state?

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Yara Khoury

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Most states follow the federal rules for capital gains and losses, but there are definitely exceptions. California generally conforms to federal tax treatment for capital gains, so the same loss harvesting strategies should work. However, states like New Jersey have different rules - they don't allow you to deduct capital losses against ordinary income like the federal $3,000 allowance. If you're in a high-tax state like NY, CA, or NJ, it's definitely worth double-checking your specific state's rules. I made the assumption they'd be the same as federal and it cost me. Also worth noting that some states have much higher capital gains rates than others, which can significantly impact your optimal selling strategy.

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Has anyone considered the alternative minimum tax (AMT) implications when selling RSUs? I got absolutely destroyed last year because I didn't factor this in when executing my strategy.

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Paolo Marino

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AMT typically hits harder with ISOs rather than RSUs. With RSUs, you already paid ordinary income tax at vesting, so the AMT impact should be minimal. Were you perhaps mixing up RSUs with ISOs?

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Gabriel Ruiz

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One thing I learned the hard way is to also consider your overall income timing when deciding which RSU lots to sell. If you're expecting a bonus or other large income event later this year, it might make sense to realize those capital losses now to offset the higher tax bracket you'll be in. Conversely, if you're between jobs or expecting lower income next year, you might want to hold off on selling the loss lots until you're in a lower bracket where the deduction is more valuable. The $3,000 annual limit on deducting capital losses against ordinary income means timing can really matter for maximizing the tax benefit.

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This is such a crucial point that often gets overlooked! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I'm expecting a promotion and salary bump in Q4, which will push me into a higher tax bracket. Based on your advice, it sounds like I should accelerate selling my loss-making RSU lots now while I'm still in the lower bracket, rather than waiting until next year when the losses might be more valuable against higher-bracket income. One question though - if I have more than $3,000 in capital losses, do the excess losses carry forward to future years? I'm trying to figure out if there's a strategic advantage to realizing a large loss all at once versus spreading it out over multiple years.

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