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Where does the value in line 16 (Tax) in form 1040 come from? Need to understand tax table calculation

I'm working on my 2024 returns and I'm completely puzzled. My taxable income is actually a bit lower than last year, but somehow I owe taxes this time around when I got a refund last year. I'm trying to figure out what changed in my situation. I have two sources of income - my primary job has variable pay (commission-based sales) and my second job is stable part-time work. The change in my variable income was minimal, less than $1,300 difference from last year. I initially didn't understand where the value in Line 16 (Tax) on Form 1040 was coming from, but I just realized it pulls from the tax tables. So now I need to figure out why Line 23 has some additional taxes this year that weren't there before. Also, I tried using a W-2 parser for the first time instead of manual entry, and I think it might have misread something in Box 12 of my W-2. Could this be causing the issue? Has anyone dealt with this before?

The tax on Line 16 of Form 1040 comes directly from the tax tables or tax computation worksheet based on your taxable income on Line 15. Even small differences in taxable income can push you into a different tax bracket. For your situation, I'd look closely at Line 23 since you mentioned new taxes appearing there. Line 23 is "Other taxes" which includes things like self-employment tax, additional Medicare tax, or early withdrawal penalties from retirement accounts. Did you perhaps do any freelance work this year that you didn't do last year? Or withdraw from a retirement account? The W-2 parser issue could definitely be contributing. Box 12 contains various codes and amounts for different items like retirement contributions, health savings accounts, or taxable benefits. If the parser misread this information, it could affect your overall tax calculation.

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Thanks for explaining! Would changing jobs during the year cause anything to show up on Line 23? I switched employers in August and I'm wondering if maybe they calculated my withholding incorrectly. Also, is there a way to manually verify what values should be in Box 12 if I think the parser got it wrong?

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Changing jobs during the year typically wouldn't cause additional taxes on Line 23 itself, but it could affect your withholding calculations. When you start a new job, your withholding might not account for income already earned at your previous job, leading to underwithholding overall. This would result in owing taxes rather than getting a refund, but wouldn't specifically show up as new taxes on Line 23. For Box 12 verification, absolutely check your physical W-2 or digital official copy and compare the codes and amounts with what's in your tax return. Box 12 has lettered codes (like 12a, 12b, etc.) with corresponding values. Make sure each code and amount matches exactly what's on your return after the parser processed it.

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The tax on Line 16 comes from either the Tax Table or the Tax Computation Worksheet depending on your income level. But a common mistake people make is overlooking changes in their deductions year-to-year. Check if you had any deductions last year that you don't have this year. Things like student loan interest, retirement contributions, or health insurance premiums can change dramatically year to year. Even if your gross income is similar, your taxable income (Line 15) could be higher, resulting in more tax. Also, did you have any filing status changes? Going from Head of Household to Single, for example, can significantly impact your tax calculation.

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Would changes in withholding allowances from one employer to another cause this kind of issue? I had 2 allowances at my old job but my new employer automatically set me to 0 when I started. Could that have messed up the calculations somewhere?

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Yes, withholding allowances would definitely impact this, but not the actual tax calculation itself. The tax calculated on Line 16 is your actual tax liability based on your income and deductions - that's determined by the tax tables regardless of what you had withheld. What the withholding allowances affect is how much tax was taken from your paychecks throughout the year. With 0 allowances at your new job, they would withhold more tax than with 2 allowances. Usually this would result in a larger refund, not owing more. So if you're owing taxes, it suggests there might be another issue at play - possibly related to the Box 12 parser error you mentioned or something showing up on Line 23.

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Have you checked if your income composition changed? For example, if more of your income this year was from capital gains, dividends, or self-employment, it could be taxed differently than regular employment income. Line 16 tax comes straight from the tax tables based on your taxable income (Line 15), but Line 23 includes things like: - Self-employment tax - Unreported social security/Medicare tax - Additional tax on IRAs or retirement plans - Household employment taxes - Repayment of credits I'd bet something triggered one of these additional taxes this year that wasn't there last year.

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I had a very similar situation last year where my taxable income was lower but I ended up owing taxes instead of getting a refund. The culprit turned out to be a combination of factors that weren't immediately obvious. First, definitely double-check that Box 12 parser issue you mentioned. I've seen parsers misread codes like "D" (401k contributions) as "DD" (employer-sponsored health coverage), which can dramatically affect your taxable income calculation. Second, when you changed jobs mid-year, did your new employer know about your previous year-to-date earnings? Often they don't, so they calculate withholding as if your new job salary is your only income for the entire year. This frequently results in under-withholding. Also check if you had any life changes that affected your tax situation: got married/divorced, had a child, moved states, or changed health insurance. Even small changes in pre-tax deductions like health insurance premiums or 401k contributions between employers can shift your taxable income enough to change your tax bracket. For Line 23, look specifically at whether you did any gig work, sold investments, or withdrew money from retirement accounts this year that you didn't do last year.

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This is really helpful! I never thought about how changing employers mid-year could affect withholding calculations like that. When you mention the new employer not knowing about previous year-to-date earnings, does that mean I should have provided them with my previous pay stubs or something? I'm wondering if there's a way to prevent this issue in the future when changing jobs. Also, regarding the Box 12 codes - is there a reference somewhere that shows what all the different letter codes mean? I want to make sure I understand what each one represents so I can catch parser errors myself next time.

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