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Aisha Hussain

When to file Form 8606 for 2023 IRA contribution converted to Roth in 2024?

I recently made my 2023 contribution to my Traditional IRA in January 2024 (about $6,500), then immediately converted those funds to my Roth IRA also in January 2024. This is my first time doing a backdoor Roth conversion, and I'm completely confused about the Form 8606 timing. Do I need to fill out Form 8606 for my 2023 tax return that I'm filing now? Or does the conversion get reported on my 2024 taxes next year since that's when I actually did the conversion? I want to make sure I'm reporting everything correctly since this is my first backdoor conversion. The contribution was definitely for tax year 2023, but both the contribution and conversion physically happened in January 2024. Any guidance would be super helpful! I'm trying to finish my taxes this weekend and this is the last thing holding me up.

Ethan Clark

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You'll actually need to file Form 8606 for BOTH 2023 and 2024 tax years, but for different parts of the transaction. For your 2023 tax return (filing now in 2024): You'll need to file Form 8606 to report your non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution for tax year 2023, even though you physically made the contribution in January 2024. This establishes your basis in the Traditional IRA. For your 2024 tax return (filing next year): You'll need to file Form 8606 again to report the conversion from Traditional to Roth that occurred in January 2024. This is when you'll report the actual conversion transaction. The key is that contributions are reported based on which tax year they're designated for, while conversions are reported in the tax year when they actually occur.

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StarStrider

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Thanks for explaining! Does this mean I won't owe any taxes on the conversion since I'm reporting the non-deductible contribution on my 2023 return and then the conversion on my 2024 return? Also, does it matter that I didn't have any existing Traditional IRA money before this backdoor conversion?

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Ethan Clark

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You likely won't owe taxes on the conversion assuming you didn't have any earnings between the time you contributed to the Traditional IRA and when you converted to the Roth. If there were any earnings during that brief period, only those earnings would be taxable on your 2024 return. The fact that you didn't have any existing Traditional IRA money is actually ideal for a backdoor Roth! This means you don't have to worry about the "pro-rata rule" which complicates things for people who have existing pre-tax IRA balances. Your situation is the cleanest possible scenario for a backdoor Roth conversion.

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QuantumQuasar

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Just wanted to add - make sure you keep really good records of your Form 8606 filings every year! I lost track of my non-deductible contributions from previous years and now I'm struggling to prove my basis to avoid double taxation. The IRS puts the burden on you to track your cumulative non-deductible contributions over time. Save copies of ALL your 8606 forms indefinitely. I learned this the hard way and am now paying taxes on money that should have been tax-free because I can't prove my basis.

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Liam McGuire

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Is there any way to reconstruct your basis if you've lost your old tax returns? I'm in a similar situation and can't find my returns from 2019-2020 when I made non-deductible contributions.

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QuantumQuasar

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You can request tax return transcripts from the IRS that go back several years. They should show your filed Form 8606 information. Go to IRS.gov and search for "Get Transcript" - you can request them online or by mail. If that doesn't work, try contacting your IRA custodian. Sometimes they maintain records of which contributions were designated as non-deductible, though they're not required to. As a last resort, if you have bank records showing the contributions, you might be able to file Form 8606 for those previous years (there would be a penalty for filing late, but it's better than losing your basis).

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Amara Eze

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Quick tip for anyone doing backdoor Roth conversions: Convert IMMEDIATELY after contributing to minimize any gains in the traditional IRA. I literally do the conversion the same day or next day after the contribution. The reason is that any earnings that happen between contribution and conversion are taxable in the year of conversion. By converting immediately, you'll have minimal or zero earnings to report, making your tax situation much simpler.

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Does this actually work with most brokerages? When I tried doing this with Vanguard, they made me wait for the contribution to "settle" before converting, which took like 7 business days.

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@Giovanni Greco Yes, most brokerages do have settlement periods that can complicate immediate conversions. With Fidelity, I ve'found that if you contribute via wire transfer or existing cash in your account, you can often convert the same day. ACH transfers typically require 3-5 business days to settle. Some brokerages like Schwab allow you to initiate the conversion while the contribution is still settling, and they ll'execute it automatically once funds are available. Check with your specific brokerage about their settlement policies - it varies quite a bit between firms. Even if you have to wait a week, any earnings are usually minimal we (re'talking maybe a few dollars on a $6,000 contribution ,)so don t'stress too much about perfect timing. The key is just not letting months go by between contribution and conversion.

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Eli Butler

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One thing to keep in mind when filing your 2023 Form 8606 is that you'll need to report your contribution on Line 1 (nondeductible contributions for 2023) and Line 14 (your total basis in traditional IRAs). Since this is your first backdoor Roth and you had no prior IRA balance, your basis will simply be the $6,500 you contributed. When you file your 2024 return next year, you'll report the conversion on Part II of Form 8606. The good news is that since you converted immediately after contributing, you should have little to no taxable income from the conversion - just make sure to report any small earnings that may have occurred between contribution and conversion. Also, double-check that your IRA custodian sends you the correct tax forms. You should receive a Form 5498 showing your 2023 contribution and a Form 1099-R showing your 2024 conversion. Keep these with your tax records since they support your Form 8606 filings.

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This is exactly the detailed breakdown I needed! Quick question - you mentioned checking that the IRA custodian sends the correct tax forms. Should I expect to receive the Form 5498 for my 2023 contribution soon, or does that typically come later in the year? I want to make sure I have all the documentation before I file my return this weekend. Also, when I do get the Form 1099-R next year for the conversion, will it show the full $6,500 as a distribution even though it was immediately converted to Roth? I want to make sure I understand what to expect so I don't panic when I see that form.

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