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Ravi Malhotra

What counts as income for Social Security Administration (SSA) benefits?

I turned 62 earlier this year and filed for my Social Security benefits about 5 months ago. My financial situation includes income from various stock dividends I've been collecting over the years. I'm also planning to start selling some of these stocks and taking capital gains. What I'm really confused about is whether these dividends and/or capital gains are considered "income" that would reduce my SSA payments. I keep hearing about that rule where for every $2 you earn over a certain threshold, you lose $1 of your Social Security payment. Does anyone know if investment income like dividends and capital gains count toward that earnings limit? I don't want to accidentally reduce my benefits by making the wrong financial moves. Thanks in advance for any clarity on this!

Yes, this is a good question that confuses many people. The Social Security earnings test (which is what you're referring to) only counts earned income toward the limit - not all income. The good news is that dividends, interest, capital gains, pension payments, annuities, and other government benefits are all considered unearned income. These do NOT count toward the earnings limit that can reduce your Social Security benefits before full retirement age. For 2025, the annual earnings limit is $22,320 if you're under full retirement age for the entire year. Only wages from a job or net earnings from self-employment count toward this limit. You can receive unlimited investment income without it affecting your Social Security benefits.

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Omar Farouk

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What if I have a part-time job but also get dividends? Do I only need to worry about the part-time income for the SSA calculation?

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Yes, you only need to worry about your part-time job income for the earnings test. Your dividends won't count toward the $22,320 limit. Only wages from employment or net profits from self-employment are counted. Keep in mind that while investment income doesn't affect the earnings test, both your wages and investment income might affect whether your Social Security benefits are taxable. That's a separate calculation from the earnings test that reduces benefits.

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Chloe Davis

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Luca Bianchi

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Just to add a real-life example: I'm 63, taking Social Security, and I made about $32,000 in dividends and capital gains last year. None of it affected my monthly SS payment. However, I also worked a seasonal job that paid me $24,500, which was about $2,000 over the limit. That did reduce my benefits by about $1,000 for the year. The person at SSA told me that if I'm going to exceed the earnings limit, I should report it to them in advance so they can adjust my benefits gradually throughout the year instead of creating an overpayment that I have to pay back later.

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Did you have to pay taxes on your Social Security benefits because of your total income though? I heard that's a separate issue from the earnings test.

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Luca Bianchi

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Yes, I did have to pay taxes on 85% of my Social Security benefits because my combined income was high enough. That's definitely a separate issue from the earnings test. The taxation of benefits happens when your "combined income" (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits) exceeds certain thresholds. For 2025, up to 50% of benefits can be taxable if your combined income is between $25,000-$34,000 for single filers ($32,000-$44,000 for joint), and up to 85% taxable above those upper limits.

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Nia Harris

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Something ppl aren't mentioning is that the earnings limit is MUCH higher in the year you reach full retirement age! If you're turning full retirement age in 2025, the limit for the months BEFORE your birthday is $59,520, and the reduction is $1 for every $3 (not $2) you earn over that amount. And once you hit full retirement age, there's NO limit to what you can earn! U can make millions and still get your full social security.

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But the original poster is only 62, so they'd still be subject to the lower limit, right? The higher limit only applies in the year you reach full retirement age.

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Miguel Ortiz

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This is such helpful information for anyone navigating early Social Security benefits! I'm 64 and went through this same confusion last year. One thing I'd add is to keep really good records of all your income sources. When I had my annual review with SSA, they wanted documentation showing the difference between my earned income (from a small consulting gig) versus my unearned income (dividends, capital gains, etc.). Also, if you're planning to do any freelance or consulting work, make sure you understand the self-employment rules. Even small amounts of self-employment income count toward that earnings limit, and you might owe self-employment taxes on top of regular income taxes. @1acc35497938 For your specific situation with stock dividends and capital gains - you're in the clear! Those won't affect your SSA payments at all. Just watch out if you decide to do any paid work or consulting on the side.

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Ava Thompson

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This is really good advice about keeping records! I'm new to this whole Social Security thing and hadn't thought about needing documentation to prove the difference between earned and unearned income. Do you know what specific documents they typically want to see? I have my brokerage statements for dividends and capital gains, but I'm wondering if there's anything else I should be preparing in case they ask for it during a review. Also, when you mention "annual review" - is that something that happens automatically, or do they only review your case if something seems off with your reported income?

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Liam Sullivan

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Great question @065c29ed9248! For documentation, I had my brokerage statements (1099-DIV, 1099-INT forms), tax returns from the previous year, and for my consulting work, I kept invoices and a simple spreadsheet tracking payments received. The SSA was mainly interested in seeing clear separation between W-2/1099-NEC income (earned) versus investment income (unearned). The "annual review" isn't automatic for everyone - they typically only do it if you're under full retirement age and have reported earned income, or if there's a discrepancy in what they have on file versus what gets reported to the IRS. Since I had that small consulting income that put me over the earnings limit, they wanted to verify the amounts. If you're only getting investment income like dividends and capital gains, you probably won't need a formal review unless something unusual shows up. But definitely keep those 1099 forms organized just in case!

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Margot Quinn

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm 63 and in a similar situation with dividend income and was worried I'd have to sell fewer stocks to avoid reducing my benefits. It's such a relief to know that investment income doesn't count toward the earnings limit. One thing I want to emphasize for anyone reading this - make sure you understand your full retirement age (FRA). For most of us born in the late 1950s and early 1960s, it's somewhere between 66 and 67. The earnings limits and penalties only apply BEFORE you reach your FRA. Once you hit that magic birthday, you can earn unlimited amounts without any reduction to your Social Security benefits. I'd also recommend checking your Social Security statement annually at ssa.gov to make sure they're calculating your benefits correctly and have accurate records of your earnings history. Catching errors early can save a lot of headaches later. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it's made this whole process much less stressful!

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Lauren Zeb

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@3242c6255131 Thanks for mentioning the importance of checking your Social Security statement! I'm new to all this and just created my account at ssa.gov last week. It's amazing how much information is available there. I have a follow-up question for the group - does anyone know if there are any special considerations for inherited assets? I recently inherited some stocks from my grandmother, and I'm planning to sell some of them for living expenses. I assume the capital gains from inherited stocks would still be considered unearned income and wouldn't count toward the earnings limit, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Also, has anyone dealt with how Social Security benefits interact with Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) from retirement accounts? I won't hit that for several years, but I'm trying to plan ahead.

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