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Anna Xian

What are the tax filing deadline dates for a trust? Can they choose their deadline like corporations?

I'm helping my elderly mother set up a trust for her estate, and I'm trying to figure out the tax filing requirements. One thing that's been confusing me is whether trusts have the same tax deadlines as individuals or if they're more like corporations. Specifically, I know corporations can sometimes choose their tax year, which affects when they file. Do trusts work the same way? Are trust tax returns due on April 15th like personal returns, or can they select a different fiscal year and deadline like corporations sometimes do? I've been trying to look this up online but keep finding conflicting information. Some sites say trusts always file by April 15th, others mention something about fiscal years for certain types of trusts. Any clarity would be really appreciated!

Trusts and corporations have different tax filing rules. For most trusts, tax returns (Form 1041) are due by April 15th for calendar year trusts, just like individual taxpayers. However, there are some important nuances: A trust can indeed choose a fiscal year rather than a calendar year, but only when it's first created and only in certain circumstances. Once established, changing a trust's tax year typically requires IRS approval. Most trusts are required to use a calendar year for tax purposes unless they meet specific exceptions. If your mother is setting up a simple revocable living trust, it will likely be what's called a "grantor trust" during her lifetime, which means it doesn't even file its own tax return - all income flows through to her personal return. After her passing, if it becomes irrevocable, then it would need to file Form 1041.

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Anna Xian

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Thanks for the response! So does that mean if we're just now setting up the trust, we potentially could choose a fiscal year other than the calendar year? What would be the advantages of doing that, if any? And what specific circumstances would allow us to choose a different fiscal year?

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Yes, when first establishing a non-grantor trust, you potentially could choose a fiscal year, but there are strict limitations. The main advantage would be aligning the trust's tax year with its natural business cycle or income patterns if applicable. For most family trusts, there's rarely a significant advantage to a non-calendar year. The specific circumstances allowing a fiscal year choice are fairly limited - typically involving certain types of complex trusts with business interests or unusual distribution requirements. Most estate planners recommend calendar year reporting for simplicity unless there's a compelling reason otherwise. The trustee would need to maintain separate bookkeeping systems and potentially deal with more complex tax preparation if using a non-standard tax year.

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Collins Angel

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if the trust has beneficiaries who need to receive K-1 forms, that's another reason why many trusts stick with a calendar year. It makes it MUCH easier for beneficiaries who are filing their personal tax returns if the trust uses the same tax year. Otherwise, beneficiaries might not get their K-1s until after their personal tax deadlines!

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Anna Xian

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That's a great point I hadn't considered! Our situation will likely involve distributions to several family members. Would beneficiaries still get their K-1s by April if the trust used a different fiscal year? Or would this create problems for them filing their personal returns?

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Collins Angel

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If a trust uses a fiscal year ending after December 31st, beneficiaries would receive their K-1s after the April 15th filing deadline for their personal returns. For example, if a trust uses a fiscal year ending March 31st, the trust's tax return and K-1s wouldn't be due until July 15th (or later with extensions). This would force beneficiaries to either file extensions for their personal returns or file their original returns without the K-1 information and then file amended returns later. It creates administrative headaches for everyone involved. This is why most family trusts stick with a calendar year unless there's a compelling reason to do otherwise.

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Marcelle Drum

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Make sure you're clear on what TYPE of trust you're dealing with. I learned the hard way that different trust types have different rules: - Revocable living trust (while grantor is alive): Usually no separate tax filing - Simple trust: April 15th deadline (calendar year) - Complex trust: April 15th for calendar year trusts, or the 15th day of the 4th month after fiscal year end - Grantor trusts: Income reported on grantor's personal return - Charitable remainder trusts: May 15th deadline!

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Tate Jensen

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This is super helpful. I'm dealing with an irrevocable trust that was created when my uncle passed away last year. It's supposed to distribute income to my aunt for her lifetime, then the remainder to us nieces and nephews. Would this be considered a "complex trust" with the April 15th deadline?

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Ava Harris

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Based on what you've described about your uncle's trust, it sounds like it could be either a simple trust or complex trust depending on the specific terms. If the trust is required to distribute all income annually to your aunt and doesn't make charitable distributions or accumulate income, it would typically be classified as a "simple trust" and file Form 1041 by April 15th. However, if the trust has discretion over distributions, can accumulate income, or makes distributions from principal, it would be a "complex trust" - but still with the same April 15th deadline for calendar year trusts. The key factor for your situation is that this type of testamentary trust (created upon death) almost always uses a calendar year for tax purposes, so you'd be looking at the April 15th filing deadline. Your aunt would receive a Schedule K-1 showing her share of the trust income to report on her personal tax return. I'd strongly recommend having the trustee consult with a tax professional familiar with trust taxation, especially in the first year after your uncle's passing, as there can be additional complexities with the initial tax filings.

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Vera Visnjic

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This is really comprehensive advice! I'm actually in a similar situation - just became trustee of my grandmother's trust after she passed last month. The trust document mentions something about "discretionary distributions" which sounds like it might make it a complex trust. Is there an easy way to tell from reading the trust document whether it's simple vs complex? I'm trying to figure out what forms I need to file and when, but the legal language is pretty confusing. The attorney who drafted it retired years ago, so I'm kind of on my own here.

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