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Statiia Aarssizan

Understanding Legitimate Use vs Abuse of the Cohan Rule for Tax Deductions

Hey tax community, I recently stumbled across something called the Cohan rule while doing research for my tax situation, and I have some questions about how it actually works in practice. From what I understand, it seems like this rule allows taxpayers to estimate certain deductions when they don't have complete records. What I'm wondering is - how strict is the IRS about verifying claims related to theft losses under this rule? Could someone hypothetically claim a reasonable amount as a theft loss even without solid documentation? I'm also curious if this is something people commonly take advantage of. Like, do accountants regularly suggest using the Cohan rule as a way to reduce tax liability when documentation is missing? Or is this something that would instantly trigger red flags with the IRS? I'm trying to understand the legitimate applications versus potential misuse. Any insights from people who understand tax law or have experience with this would be super helpful!

The Cohan rule isn't exactly what you think it is. It comes from a 1930 court case involving George M. Cohan, and it allows taxpayers to claim deductions when they don't have complete documentation, but they still need to have some reasonable basis for the estimate. For theft losses specifically, the rules are actually quite strict. You need to be able to prove: 1) that the theft actually occurred (usually with a police report), 2) the date you discovered the theft, 3) that you had no reasonable prospect of recovery, and 4) your basis in the property. The Cohan rule might help with estimating the value if you've lost records, but it doesn't let you make up a theft that didn't happen. If you claimed a fake theft loss, that would be tax fraud, not a legitimate use of the Cohan rule. The rule is meant to help honest taxpayers who keep poor records, not to create deductions out of thin air.

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Aria Khan

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Thanks for the explanation. I have a question though - how does the IRS actually verify theft claims? Do they just accept the police report at face value, or do they do their own investigation?

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The IRS generally starts with your documentation, including the police report, but they might dig deeper if something seems suspicious. They can request additional proof of ownership like purchase receipts, insurance claims, or photos of the stolen items. They may also look at the timing (claiming a theft right when you need a tax break is suspicious) and whether the claimed value seems reasonable for your financial situation. For larger theft claims, they're more likely to scrutinize the details. If you're audited, you'd need to substantiate both that the theft occurred and the value of what was stolen. The Cohan rule might help with valuation if you have some evidence, but it won't save you if you can't prove the theft happened at all.

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Everett Tutum

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Sunny Wang

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Everett Tutum

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Sunny Wang

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Romeo Quest

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To get back to the original question about the Cohan rule - I'm a bookkeeper and see clients try to abuse this all the time. They'll come in with almost no records and expect to claim thousands in deductions "because of the Cohan rule." The reality is much different. In practice, the IRS is very strict about applying this rule, especially for theft losses. They typically expect: 1. A timely filed police report 2. Insurance claim documentation 3. Original purchase documentation or other proof of value 4. Evidence that you've exhausted recovery options Even with all that, they often allow only a percentage of the claimed amount when the Cohan rule is involved. And they're much more likely to scrutinize these claims during an audit. The bottom line: Can you "get away" with claiming fake theft losses? Maybe in the short term, but it's fraud, and if you're audited, you'll face serious consequences including penalties, interest, and potential criminal charges for tax evasion.

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Val Rossi

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So what if you genuinely had something stolen but have very little documentation? Like I had some camera equipment stolen from my car last year (did file a police report) but don't have receipts for everything. Can I still claim anything?

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Romeo Quest

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Yes, you can still claim something with limited documentation. Having the police report is already a good start. For the value, gather whatever evidence you can - credit card statements from when you purchased the items, photos of the equipment, insurance documentation, even screenshots of similar items with comparable age/condition showing current market value. The Cohan rule might help you establish the value based on your partial records, but you'll need to show you're making a good faith, reasonable estimate. Document your estimation method carefully. For example, "Camera body purchased approximately June 2023 for $X according to credit card statement, lens valued at $Y based on current market price of similar used equipment minus 30% for age/condition." The more detail and supporting evidence you provide, the stronger your position will be if questioned.

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Eve Freeman

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Small business owner here. I've been through two IRS audits in my 15 years of running my company. Here's my experience with the Cohan rule: The rule CAN be helpful when you have some documentation but not complete records. During my first audit, I had incomplete mileage logs but could prove my business travel through appointment calendars, receipts from destinations, etc. The auditor allowed a reasonable percentage of my claimed mileage using the Cohan principle. BUT - and this is a huge but - they will give you ZERO leeway on completely undocumented claims or things that seem fabricated. My second audit involved a contractor who gave me fake documentation for some work, and even though I genuinely paid for services, the IRS disallowed the entire deduction because they determined the documentation was not credible. Claiming fake theft losses would fall under fraud, not the Cohan rule. The rule helps honest taxpayers with imperfect records, not dishonest ones trying to create deductions.

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Thanks for sharing your real experience. What would you recommend for someone who's terrible at keeping receipts? I'm always losing them and I'm worried about an audit someday.

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