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Dana Doyle

Two questions about doubling up on Section 179 deduction for business vehicles

So I purchased a truck for my landscaping business back in 2023 and took the Section 179 deduction on my taxes. It was a big help for reducing my tax liability that year! But now I'm looking at getting another vehicle (a van) for the business in 2025 and I'm wondering about doubling up on the Section 179 deduction. My first question is: if I claim Section 179 on the new van, do I need to keep my existing truck above 50% business use too? I've been using the truck about 70% for business, but was thinking about using it more for personal errands once I get the van, which might drop it below 50%. Second question: if the business use of my first vehicle (the truck) drops below 50%, what happens to the Section 179 deduction I already claimed? Is there some kind of recapture penalty I need to worry about? I remember my accountant mentioning something about this but I can't remember the details. Any help would be appreciated! I don't want to make a mistake that costs me a ton in taxes later.

Liam Duke

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Claiming Section 179 for business vehicles can be tricky! Let me help clarify both your questions. Each vehicle you purchase for business is treated separately for Section 179 purposes. So yes, you can claim Section 179 on your new van in 2025 regardless of how you're using your truck from 2023. They're independent assets. However, for any vehicle you've claimed Section 179 on, you need to maintain business use above 50% for the entire recovery period (usually 5 years for vehicles). If your truck's business use drops below 50% in any year during this period, you'll face recapture. This means you'd have to report as income a portion of the deduction you previously took. The exact amount depends on how many years into the recovery period you are and how much the business use has dropped. My advice would be to keep tracking the truck's business usage carefully and try to maintain it above 50% until you've passed the 5-year recovery period from when you first placed it in service.

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Manny Lark

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Thanks for the explanation! Quick follow-up question: does that 5-year recovery period start from the date I purchased the truck or from the date I filed the tax return claiming the Section 179 deduction? And what if I'm only at like 45% business use in year 3? How bad is the recapture hit?

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Liam Duke

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The recovery period starts from the date you placed the vehicle in service for business use, not the date you filed your tax return. So if you started using the truck for business in March 2023, your 5-year period runs from that date. If your business use drops to 45% in year 3, you would need to recapture a portion of your Section 179 deduction. The calculation gets a bit technical, but essentially you would recalculate what your depreciation would have been under normal depreciation methods if you had never taken Section 179, then compare that to what you actually deducted. The difference for the remaining recovery period would be recaptured as ordinary income on your tax return for that year.

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Rita Jacobs

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Khalid Howes

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How does it track the business use percentage? Do I need to log every trip manually or does it connect to some kind of GPS system? I'm terrible at keeping mileage logs but I need something that will help me stay above that 50% threshold.

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Ben Cooper

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Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. How accurate is this for determining recapture amounts if you do drop below 50%? My CPA gave me a rough estimate but said the actual calculations are complicated and depend on several factors.

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Rita Jacobs

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You can either upload your existing logs (even if they're just rough spreadsheets or notes), or use their mobile app to track trips going forward. It doesn't require GPS tracking, though you can connect it to some popular mileage tracker apps if you already use those. The system is pretty flexible for inputting historical data too. The recapture calculations are extremely accurate. It uses the same formulas and tables that the IRS uses for recapture calculations. It accounts for all the necessary factors: original purchase price, business use percentage by year, the recovery period, and any specific elections you made on your tax returns. My accountant was actually impressed with the detail in the reports and said they matched his manual calculations perfectly.

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Ben Cooper

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Naila Gordon

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Cynthia Love

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Wait, how does this actually work? Does it just call the IRS for you? Couldn't you just do that yourself? I'm confused why this would be any better than just calling directly.

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Darren Brooks

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Yeah right. No way you got through to the IRS in 20 minutes. I've been trying for WEEKS to get someone on the phone about my Section 179 questions. Either you got extremely lucky or this is some kind of scam.

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Darren Brooks

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Rosie Harper

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you're worried about maintaining that 50% business use threshold for your truck after buying the van, you could consider transferring the truck entirely to personal use and then doing a "like-kind exchange" for the van (assuming it qualifies). This way you avoid recapture while still getting the benefit of Section 179 on the new vehicle. I did this with my business SUV when I bought a new one. You'll need to consult with a tax professional on the specifics, but it can be a smart way to handle the transition while avoiding the recapture headache.

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I don't think like-kind exchanges apply to vehicles for Section 179 purposes anymore after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. Aren't those now limited to only real property (buildings/land)? Has something changed that I'm not aware of?

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Rosie Harper

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You're absolutely right, and I'm glad you corrected me. Like-kind exchanges (Section 1031) for personal property including vehicles were eliminated by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and are now only available for real property. My information was outdated as I did my exchange before 2018. This is a perfect example of why consulting with a current tax professional is so important - tax laws change frequently! Sorry for any confusion my comment may have caused.

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Demi Hall

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Has anyone successfully appealed a Section 179 recapture with the IRS? I accidentally dropped to 47% business use on my work truck last year (got a company car mid-year but kept the truck), and now facing a big tax hit. My accountant says I should just pay it, but wondering if anyone's had luck with appealing these situations?

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I had partial success appealing a similar situation. The key was documentation - I had tracking records showing that while my percentage dropped below 50% for part of the year, my overall annual usage was still above 50%. I wrote a letter explaining the unusual circumstances (medical situation that kept me from using the vehicle for business temporarily) and included all my documentation. The IRS reduced my recapture amount but didn't eliminate it entirely. From what I understand, they have some discretion in these cases but rarely waive the recapture completely unless there are extraordinary circumstances.

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Javier Torres

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Great question about Section 179 and vehicle usage! I went through something similar with my construction business vehicles last year. Just to add to what others have mentioned - one strategy that worked for me was being very strategic about which vehicle I used for different types of trips. When I got my second work truck, I made sure to use my original truck for all client visits, job site inspections, and supply runs to keep the business percentage high, while using the new truck for the heavier hauling work. I also found it helpful to set up a simple system where I logged the odometer reading and purpose every time I got in either vehicle. It only takes a few seconds but gives you bulletproof documentation if the IRS ever questions your business use percentages. One thing to watch out for - the recapture calculation can be pretty harsh if you fall below 50%. In my case, dropping from 70% to 45% business use would have meant recapturing about 60% of my original Section 179 deduction as ordinary income. Definitely worth the effort to stay above that threshold!

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