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Maya Patel

Tax professional charges $450 without disclosing rate - is this ethical?

I recently contacted a small tax firm after they were recommended by my financial advisor at Morgan Stanley. I wanted to discuss some tax implications with my career change and set up an in-person meeting with one of their tax professionals. The morning of the meeting, they called saying they couldn't make it to the office but could do a phone consultation instead. I agreed since I needed the advice. During our phone call, there was never any mention of fees or how they would be calculating charges. The conversation was incredibly one-sided - I briefly explained my situation, and this person went on endless monologues about basic tax concepts I already understood. They spent nearly 20 minutes explaining the difference between traditional and Roth 401ks when I had already mentioned I've taken several tax planning courses and manage my own finances pretty competently. The call dragged on for exactly 60 minutes, with the tax professional covering numerous topics that weren't directly relevant to my questions. At the end, they casually mentioned, "I hope my assistant told you about our fee - where should I send the invoice for $450?" I was completely blindsided. Looking back, it feels like they intentionally stretched the call to hit the full hour. My specific questions probably could have been answered in 15 minutes with a more focused discussion. I expressed my surprise about the fee and asked if they could adjust it since the rate wasn't disclosed beforehand and much of the information wasn't relevant to my situation. Their response was basically, "Sorry, can't adjust the invoice. We're extremely busy and you received valuable information." What's the standard practice here? Should professionals disclose their rates before providing services? I know I should have asked upfront, but it seems unethical to charge someone without any rate disclosure. How would you handle this situation?

Tax professional here. This situation wasn't handled properly by the firm. Industry standard practice is absolutely to disclose fees upfront before any billable consultation occurs. Most reputable tax professionals will either have their rates clearly posted, mention them when scheduling, or at minimum disclose them at the beginning of a consultation. The fact that they switched from an in-person meeting to a phone call should have prompted a discussion about fees, especially since phone consultations are typically billed differently than in-person meetings. The lack of transparency is concerning. You have several options: 1) Speak with the firm's manager or partner about the situation, explaining you weren't informed of any fees, 2) Negotiate a reduced payment that feels fair for the actual value you received, or 3) If they refuse to budge, you might consider filing a complaint with your state's board of accountancy, as this could potentially violate professional standards. For future reference, always ask about fees before engaging with any professional service. But this doesn't excuse their failure to disclose - that responsibility primarily falls on the service provider.

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Thanks for the insight! I'm curious - are there any specific regulations or ethical guidelines from the AICPA or other accounting bodies that address fee disclosure requirements? I'm wondering if this is just bad practice or if it actually violates professional standards.

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Yes, there are indeed professional standards that address this issue. The AICPA Code of Professional Conduct has guidelines about fee arrangements and transparent client communications. While not explicitly stating "you must disclose fees before every conversation," Rule 302 addresses fee arrangements and emphasizes clear communication. Many state boards of accountancy have more specific requirements about fee disclosure. The situation you described could potentially violate professional standards related to client communication and fee transparency, depending on your state's specific requirements. This is why documentation of engagement terms is standard practice - it protects both the client and the professional by setting clear expectations.

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Ava Kim

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How does taxr.ai handle reviewing actual services provided? I'm curious if it could analyze the OP's situation to determine if the $450 charge was justified based on the actual advice given versus what appears to be filler information.

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I'm skeptical about using AI for something like this. Wouldn't you need a human with actual tax expertise to evaluate if you got proper advice worth the fee? How does the system actually know what's relevant to your specific situation?

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Ava Kim

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Just wanted to update everyone. After reading the suggestions here, I decided to try taxr.ai to analyze my situation. I uploaded my notes from the call and described the advice I received. The analysis showed that the national average for the specific tax guidance I needed (related to job transition tax implications) typically costs between $175-250, not the $450 I was charged. Armed with this information, I contacted the firm's managing partner (not the person I originally spoke with) and explained the situation, including the lack of fee disclosure and the analysis showing standard rates. They were actually quite responsive and agreed that proper fee disclosure hadn't occurred. They reduced my bill to $200 and implemented a new firm policy about clear fee disclosure before consultations. Sometimes having objective data to back up your position makes all the difference in these situations!

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This isn't just a customer service issue - it's potentially a violation of professional standards. CPAs are bound by both state regulations and AICPA ethical guidelines. In most states, fee arrangements must be clearly communicated to clients before services are rendered. I'd suggest writing a formal letter to the firm's managing partner outlining: 1) The lack of fee disclosure, 2) The fact that much of the information provided was generic and not relevant to your specific situation, and 3) A proposal for what you believe would be a fair fee based on the actual value received (perhaps $150-200 for the 15 minutes of relevant advice). Keep the tone professional but firm. If they refuse to negotiate, contact your state's board of accountancy to file a complaint. Many CPAs will adjust fees rather than risk an ethics complaint on their record.

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Would paying the invoice in full and then disputing it with my credit card company be a viable option? Or should I try to resolve directly with the firm first?

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Always try to resolve directly with the firm first. Credit card disputes should be a last resort for several reasons. First, it creates a more adversarial relationship that might make negotiation difficult. Second, the firm could potentially send the unpaid amount to collections, which could affect your credit score. Third, you'll have a stronger case with your credit card company if you can show you made good-faith efforts to resolve the dispute directly. Document all communication attempts with the firm. If you reach an impasse after speaking with the managing partner or firm owner, then consider the credit card dispute as a secondary option. Make sure to include all documentation showing the lack of fee disclosure and your attempts to resolve the matter directly.

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In my 15+ years in accounting, the standard practice is ALWAYS to discuss fees upfront. We typically offer a brief 15-minute free consultation to determine scope, then provide a fee estimate before any billable work begins. For one-time consultations like yours, we explicitly state our hourly rate and estimated time frame. Something to consider: $450 for an hour actually isn't unreasonable for specialized tax advice from a CPA firm (our firm charges $300-600 depending on which partner handles the work). But the ethics issue is they didn't disclose it AND they loaded the session with basic info you didn't need. If I were you, I'd offer to pay $150-200 for the 15-20 minutes of actually relevant advice and explain why. Most firms want to maintain their reputation and will work something out rather than risk negative reviews or complaints.

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That makes sense. If specialized tax advice typically runs $300-600/hr but wasn't disclosed, do you think offering $150-200 is reasonable when a significant portion of the conversation was irrelevant basic information?

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