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Tax Implications When U.S. Citizens Buy Property with Mortgage Abroad - What Should My Parents Know?

My parents are planning to move back to their home country after living in the US for nearly 30 years. They've been US citizens since the early 2000s but want to retire in the Philippines where they grew up. They're looking at buying a beachfront condo there and will need to take out a mortgage from a local bank. I'm trying to help them figure out what tax implications they need to consider as US citizens buying property abroad. Will they still need to report this to the IRS? Are there special forms they need to fill out? What about the mortgage interest - can they deduct that like they do with their US home? Also, what happens with property taxes they'll pay overseas? They're planning to keep their US citizenship and will probably split time between countries (maybe 7 months there, 5 months visiting us kids in the States). Their retirement income will be from US-based accounts and Social Security. Any guidance on how this foreign property purchase might affect their US tax situation would be super appreciated!

Grace Lee

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As a frequent international tax filer, I can tell you that your parents will still have US tax obligations even while living abroad. US citizens must report their worldwide income regardless of where they live. For the property purchase, they won't need to report the actual purchase to the IRS, but they will need to report any foreign accounts with over $10,000 at any point during the year using the FBAR form (FinCEN Form 114). If they're transferring large sums to buy the property, this will likely trigger reporting requirements. Regarding the mortgage interest, unfortunately, foreign mortgage interest is generally only deductible if it's for a qualified home, which means either a main home or a second home. Since they'll be living there 7 months of the year, it could qualify as their main home, but they should consult with a tax professional familiar with expat taxes.

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Mia Roberts

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What about the Foreign Bank Account Report? I heard if they open a bank account abroad to handle mortgage payments, they need to file that too, right? And do they still need to pay US taxes on their Social Security if they're living outside the US?

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Grace Lee

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Yes, the FBAR (Foreign Bank Account Report) is exactly what I was referring to with the FinCEN Form 114. If their foreign accounts collectively exceed $10,000 at any point during the year, they'll need to file this form. This includes bank accounts, investment accounts, and sometimes even retirement accounts. Regarding Social Security benefits, yes, US citizens generally must include their Social Security benefits in their US tax return regardless of where they live. However, depending on the tax treaty between the US and Philippines, there might be provisions that affect how this income is taxed. Some countries have agreements to prevent double taxation.

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Ryan Andre

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Don't forget about Form 8938 (Statement of Specified Foreign Financial Assets) which is separate from the FBAR requirement! Depending on your parents' total foreign assets, they might need to file both. The thresholds are different based on whether they're living in the US or abroad. Also, if they're buying in certain countries, be careful about potential PFIC issues if they invest in any foreign mutual funds or similar investments while abroad. Those can be a tax nightmare.

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Thanks for mentioning Form 8938! Do you know what the threshold is for filing if they're living primarily abroad? And what exactly counts toward that threshold - just financial accounts or the property value too?

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Ryan Andre

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The threshold for Form 8938 for married filing jointly living abroad is higher than for those living in the US. Last I checked, it was $400,000 on the last day of the tax year or $600,000 at any time during the year (compared to $100,000/$150,000 for US residents). The property itself generally needs to be reported if it's held directly (not through an entity) and used for investment purposes. If it's just a personal residence, it typically doesn't need to be reported on Form 8938, but this can get complicated if they're renting it out part of the year. The mortgage account, however, is not typically reportable on this form as it's a liability, not an asset.

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Lauren Zeb

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Has anyone dealt with property taxes paid to foreign governments? Can those be deducted on US taxes? I'm in a similar situation with my parents buying in Ecuador.

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Foreign property taxes CAN be deducted, but only if they're based on the assessed value of the property (similar to how US property taxes work). If they're flat fees or service charges, they wouldn't qualify. Also, remember your parents need to itemize deductions to claim this - it doesn't work with the standard deduction.

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Javier Garcia

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This is such a complex situation! Your parents definitely need to be prepared for ongoing US tax obligations. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact on their state tax situation. Depending on which state they currently live in, they may need to officially establish tax residency elsewhere before moving to avoid continued state tax obligations. Also, since they're planning to split time between countries, they should be very careful about the substantial presence test. Even though they're US citizens (so it doesn't affect their filing requirement), it could impact how certain deductions and credits are calculated. I'd strongly recommend they consult with a tax professional who specializes in expat taxes BEFORE making the purchase. The timing of when they buy, when they move, and how they structure their finances could significantly impact their tax burden. Getting advice upfront could save them thousands in taxes and penalties down the road.

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