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Isabella Oliveira

Starting a new LLC with my father - do we need to file a 1065 tax return?

I recently started a small LLC with my dad to protect ourselves from liability. Nothing fancy, just a simple business with modest income. I've been keeping really good records of all our revenue and expenses, but now I'm confused about what tax form to file. I initially assumed we'd file a 1065 return, but then I read somewhere that those are more for larger, more complex businesses? I really don't want us to get hit with excessive taxes, and definitely want to avoid any double taxation situations. Can someone help me figure out what form I should be filing? I'm completely lost! Also, I have no idea if we're technically considered an S corp or a C corp - honestly hoping we're an S corp based on what little I know. Is there a way to check our status? I feel so clueless about all this business tax stuff.

Ravi Patel

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Based on what you've described, it sounds like you have a multi-member LLC (you and your dad), which by default is treated as a partnership for tax purposes. This means you would indeed file Form 1065, regardless of the size of your business. The 1065 isn't just for "big-boy businesses" - it's the standard form for partnerships of any size. Unless you've filed specific elections with the IRS, your LLC is NOT automatically an S corp or a C corp. By default, a multi-member LLC is treated as a partnership. This is actually good news - partnerships are "pass-through" entities, meaning the business itself doesn't pay taxes. Instead, you and your dad will each receive a Schedule K-1 from the partnership showing your share of income/expenses, which you'll report on your personal tax returns. If you want to be treated as an S corporation, you would need to file Form 2553 with the IRS. For a C corporation, you'd file Form 8832. But honestly, for a small, simple business, the default partnership treatment is often the simplest and most tax-efficient option.

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Wait, so if we're a multi-member LLC filing as a partnership, does that mean we don't pay self-employment taxes? I thought partnerships were good for that reason?

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Ravi Patel

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Actually, partners in a partnership (including members of an LLC taxed as a partnership) do pay self-employment taxes on their share of the partnership's income. The partnership files Form 1065, but doesn't pay tax itself - instead, it issues K-1s to each partner showing their share of income/loss. Each partner then reports this income on their personal tax return and pays both income tax and self-employment tax (Medicare and Social Security) on it. So you don't escape self-employment taxes with a partnership, though there are ways to structure certain distributions to potentially reduce them.

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Sean Flanagan

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Just adding another perspective: we formed an LLC with 3 members and initially filed Form 8832 to elect C-corp taxation because we thought it would be better. BIG MISTAKE for our small business! We ended up paying corporate tax AND personal tax on distributions. Switched to partnership taxation the next year and it's much simpler and usually more tax-efficient unless you need to retain significant profits in the business.

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If we go with partnership taxation, do my dad and I need to split everything 50/50 or can we have different percentages? Also, do we need to pay ourselves a salary or can we just take draws?

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Sean Flanagan

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You can absolutely have different ownership percentages - it doesn't have to be 50/50. Your LLC operating agreement should specify the ownership percentages, and your K-1 forms will reflect those percentages for distributing profits and losses. For a partnership, you don't technically take "salaries" - you take draws, which aren't subject to withholding. However, you'll still pay self-employment taxes on your share of the profits regardless of whether you take draws or leave the money in the business. That's different from S-corps where you'd need to pay yourself a reasonable salary subject to payroll taxes.

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Zara Mirza

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Does anyone know if your first tax return for a new LLC has any special requirements? I just started mine in October and I'm already stressing about tax season.

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Ravi Patel

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For a new LLC filing as a partnership, you'll need to include Form 1065 Schedule B and check the box indicating it's an "initial return." You'll also need to select your tax year (usually calendar year for most small businesses). Make sure you've obtained an EIN before filing - you can't use your SSN for a partnership return.

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