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Callum Savage

Questions about filing exempt on new W-4 for job after receiving refund

So I'm considering checking the "exempt" box on a new W-4 for my current job. The situation is that I did get a refund for my 2023 taxes, but it ended up being taken to cover an old unemployment debt I had. My current job pays around $43,500 per year - I'm wondering if I can legally file exempt on my W-4 for this tax year just because I got a refund last year? Like does getting a refund (even though it was seized) qualify me to check that exempt box? I don't want to mess things up with the IRS but also don't want to keep having too much withheld if I don't need to.

Ally Tailer

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Filing exempt on your W-4 is a pretty serious decision that could lead to owing a lot at tax time. The IRS has specific requirements for claiming exemption - you need to have had NO tax liability last year AND expect to have NO tax liability this year. Getting a refund doesn't automatically mean you had no tax liability - it just means you overpaid throughout the year. At $43,500 income, you almost certainly had tax liability (meaning you owed some federal income tax, even if you overpaid through withholding). The fact that you received a refund that was seized for debt doesn't change that. If you file exempt incorrectly, you could end up with a large tax bill plus penalties when you file next year. Instead of going exempt, you might want to adjust your withholding using the W-4 calculator on the IRS website to have less taken out while still covering your tax obligations.

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But what if most of my income gets cancelled out by deductions and credits? I make about the same as OP and last year I barely owed anything after standard deduction and child tax credits. Could that make a difference?

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Ally Tailer

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That's a great question. If you have enough deductions and credits to completely eliminate your tax liability, then you might qualify for exempt status. The standard deduction for 2024 is $13,850 for single filers, which would still leave significant taxable income at a $43,500 salary. Child tax credits and other credits can indeed reduce your liability further. However, to legally claim exempt, you must have had zero tax liability last year AND expect zero this year. Even a small amount of tax liability disqualifies you from claiming exempt status. It's better to use the W-4 to fine-tune your withholding rather than eliminating it completely.

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Kyle Wallace

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The "exempt" checkbox on W-4 forms is seriously misunderstood. I work in payroll and see people make this mistake all the time. Here's the deal: You can only claim exempt if you meet BOTH criteria: 1. You had ZERO federal income tax liability last year (not just got a refund) 2. You expect ZERO tax liability this year At $43k, you definitely had tax liability even if you got a refund. The refund just means you overpaid throughout the year. If you check exempt incorrectly, you'll get a bigger paycheck now but potentially face a huge bill plus underpayment penalties next April.

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Ryder Ross

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What's the difference between "no tax liability" and getting a refund though? If the government gave me money back, doesn't that mean I didn't owe anything?

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Kyle Wallace

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Great question. Tax liability means the total amount of tax you owe based on your income before any withholding is considered. Getting a refund just means you had more withheld throughout the year than your final tax liability. For example, if your total tax liability was $3,000, but your employer withheld $4,200 throughout the year, you'd get a $1,200 refund. But you still had a $3,000 tax liability. To qualify for exempt status, your tax liability would need to be $0 before considering any withholding.

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Has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator? It's supposed to be more accurate than the old W-4 calculator but I can't figure out how to use it with my situation.

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Henry Delgado

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I tried it last month - it's actually pretty good if you have a simple tax situation. You need your most recent pay stub and last year's tax return. It walks you through everything step by step and gives you exact instructions for filling out your W-4. Way better than guessing or going exempt.

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