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Sean Kelly

Nonresident alien 401(k) distribution - should it be reported as ECI or non-ECI income?

I recently moved back to my home country after working in the US for several years. Now I need to withdraw funds from my 401(k) that I contributed to while working for my US employer. I'm confused about how to report this on my 1040-NR tax return. Should this distribution go on Line 17a as Effectively Connected Income (ECI) or on Schedule NEC Line 7 as non-ECI? All the contributions were made when I was working in the US, and all that work was performed within the US. The plan is still with my former US employer. I've been looking through IRS publications but getting conflicting information. I have some theories about how it should be classified, but I'd rather hear from someone who has experience with this specific situation before I file. The tax treaty between my country and the US makes things even more confusing!

Zara Malik

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This is a really good question about nonresident alien taxation. The key factor for your 401(k) distribution is whether it's considered effectively connected with a US trade or business. Since all your contributions were made while working in the US, and all work was performed in the US, the distribution would generally be considered ECI and should be reported on Line 17a of Form 1040-NR. The IRS typically views retirement distributions as maintaining the same character as the income that generated the contributions. However, there's a timing element to consider. If you're no longer engaged in a US trade or business when you receive the distribution, some tax professionals argue it could be considered non-ECI. But the prevailing view is that since the income was earned while engaged in a US trade or business, the distribution retains its ECI character. You should also check your specific tax treaty, as it might have provisions about retirement account distributions that could affect how they're taxed.

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Luca Greco

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Thanks for the explanation! I'm also a nonresident alien with a similar situation. If I report it as ECI on Line 17a, would I still be eligible for the standard deduction? And does it matter how long I've been away from the US before taking the distribution?

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Zara Malik

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Nonresident aliens are generally not eligible for the standard deduction, with some exceptions for residents of certain countries (like Canada, Mexico, South Korea) who have specific provisions in their tax treaties. You'd need to check if your country's tax treaty allows for this. The length of time between leaving the US and taking the distribution doesn't technically change its classification as ECI or non-ECI. What matters is the character of the income when it was earned. However, if many years have passed, some practitioners might take a position that the connection has been sufficiently severed, though this is risky without clear guidance from the IRS.

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Nia Thompson

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Carmen Ruiz

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Another factor to consider is whether you're withdrawing just your contributions or earnings as well. Some tax treaties treat the earnings portion differently from the contribution portion. For example, under some treaties, the earnings might be subject to a lower tax rate than the contributions. Also, if your home country has a totalization agreement with the US, that might affect how your retirement distributions are taxed. These agreements are separate from tax treaties and specifically deal with social security-type benefits.

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Does this apply even if the 401(k) is a Roth 401(k)? I thought Roth distributions would be tax-free regardless.

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Carmen Ruiz

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For Roth 401(k) distributions, the rules are different. If you satisfied the five-year holding period and are taking a qualified distribution, it would generally be tax-free. However, as a nonresident alien, you still need to report it properly on your 1040-NR. Even with Roth accounts, you should check your specific tax treaty because some countries don't recognize the tax-free nature of Roth distributions and may tax them in your home country. This creates a situation where the US doesn't tax it, but your home country might, depending on the treaty provisions.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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My accountant told me that since I'm now a nonresident alien, my 401(k) distributions are always non-ECI and go on Schedule NEC. Is this wrong??

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Zara Malik

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Your accountant's advice doesn't align with the general IRS position. While there's some ambiguity in this area, the prevailing view is that 401(k) distributions retain their ECI character if the contributions were made from effectively connected income (which yours were if you were working in the US). This is based on the principle that the distribution retains the character of the income that generated it. You might want to get a second opinion from a tax professional who specializes in nonresident taxation, as reporting it incorrectly could potentially trigger an audit.

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Yuki Sato

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I went through this exact situation two years ago and can confirm that the consensus here is correct - your 401(k) distribution should be reported as ECI on Line 17a of Form 1040-NR. The key principle is that retirement distributions maintain the same tax character as the income that funded them. Since your contributions were made while you were working in the US (and thus earning effectively connected income), the distribution retains that ECI character even though you're now a nonresident alien. I initially made the mistake of reporting mine on Schedule NEC as non-ECI income, but after researching Revenue Ruling 79-388 and consulting with an international tax specialist, I filed an amended return to correct it. The IRS accepted the amendment without any issues. One important note: make sure to check if your tax treaty has any special provisions for retirement distributions. Some treaties provide for reduced withholding rates or other benefits that you don't want to miss out on. Also, keep detailed records of your employment history in the US, as this documentation supports the ECI classification if the IRS ever questions it. Don't let your accountant's advice in the comment below go unchallenged - this is a specialized area where many general practitioners get it wrong.

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Sofia Morales

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm in a similar situation and was getting confused by different advice. When you filed your amended return, did you have to pay any additional tax or penalties? I'm worried about the timing since I already filed my original return with the distribution on Schedule NEC. Also, do you happen to know if there's a specific form or statement I should include with the amended return to explain the correction?

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Yara Sabbagh

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As someone who recently went through this exact situation, I can confirm that your 401(k) distribution should indeed be reported as ECI on Line 17a of Form 1040-NR. The reasoning everyone has shared here is spot-on - the distribution retains the character of the income that funded it. I made the same mistake initially and reported mine on Schedule NEC, but after doing more research and finding Revenue Ruling 79-388, I realized my error. The ruling makes it clear that retirement plan distributions to former employees maintain their ECI status even after the individual becomes a nonresident alien. One thing I'd add is to be extra careful about the withholding. Your 401(k) plan administrator may have withheld taxes at the standard 30% nonresident rate, but since this is ECI, you might be entitled to a refund depending on your other income and deductions. Make sure to calculate your actual tax liability properly. Also, don't forget to check if your home country's tax treaty has any provisions about retirement distributions - some treaties allow for reduced withholding or provide other benefits that could save you money. The tax treaty analysis can be complex, but it's worth investigating since it could significantly impact your final tax bill.

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Zara Rashid

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This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was hoping to find! I'm dealing with this same situation right now and have been going back and forth on the ECI vs non-ECI classification. Your point about the withholding is really important - my plan administrator did withhold at 30%, so I'll definitely need to calculate whether I'm due a refund. Quick question: when you mention checking the tax treaty provisions, did you find that most treaties actually have specific language about 401(k) distributions, or do they fall under more general retirement/pension clauses? I'm from Canada and trying to figure out if the US-Canada treaty has anything that would apply to my situation specifically. Also, did you end up needing to file any additional forms beyond the 1040-NR when you corrected your reporting from Schedule NEC to Line 17a?

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