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Need to clarify EIN application for SEP-IRA with poker and sportsbetting income

I'm in a time crunch trying to set up a SEP-IRA before the tax deadline, and my broker is requiring that I have an EIN. My situation is a bit unusual - all my income comes from poker tournaments and sportsbetting. When I'm filling out the IRS EIN assistant application, there's this question that's confusing me: "Does your business involve gambling/wagering?" At first glance, I'd say yes since I make my living from poker and betting. But when I read their description, it says you're in the business of gambling or wagering if you: - Accept wagers from others - Conduct a wagering pool or lottery - Are registered to receive wagers for someone else The examples they list are things like "Keno Writers, Blackjack dealers, lotteries conducted for profit (including the numbers game), policy, punch boards, and similar types of wagering." None of that describes me - I'm just a player, not running gambling operations. So I'm second-guessing whether I should check "yes" or "no" for this question. I don't want to mess up my EIN application and delay setting up my SEP-IRA before the deadline hits. Any advice?

The distinction the IRS is making here is between being a gambler (you) versus being a gambling operator (casino, sportsbook, etc.). You should select "NO" for that question. When applying for an EIN for your SEP-IRA, you're essentially establishing yourself as a self-employed individual with gambling winnings as your income source. The question is asking if you operate a gambling business - taking bets from others, running games, etc. Since you're just playing poker and placing bets yourself (not accepting them from others), you don't fall into their definition of a "business of gambling." The IRS is particularly interested in identifying actual gambling businesses because they have specific reporting requirements for tracking the flow of money through gambling operations. As a professional poker player/sports bettor, you're just reporting your personal income, not managing a gambling operation.

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Jamal Carter

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So just to be clear, even though all my income is from gambling activities, since I'm not the house (so to speak), I select "no" on that question? Does this have any implications for how my gambling income is reported elsewhere in my taxes?

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Yes, exactly - you select "NO" because you're not operating as "the house." You're not accepting wagers from others or running gambling operations. For how your gambling income is reported, you'll still report all your gambling winnings on Schedule C as self-employment income. Professional gamblers typically report their winnings as business income and can deduct ordinary and necessary gambling expenses (like tournament fees, travel to gambling locations, etc.) against that income. This is separate from the EIN application question, which is just trying to identify actual gambling businesses like casinos or bookmakers.

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Dylan Cooper

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Pro poker player here (10+ years). Just wanted to clarify something important: how you answer the EIN question doesn't change how you report your gambling income. You'll still report your poker/betting income on Schedule C as self-employment income regardless. The "gambling business" question on the EIN application is specifically asking if you operate a gambling establishment, take bets from others, etc. As a player, you always select "NO" here. But don't confuse this with whether poker is your business - for tax purposes, professional gambling absolutely can be your business, reported on Schedule C, with deductions for related expenses. These are two separate concepts.

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Sofia Perez

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So if I'm understanding correctly, I select "NO" for the gambling business question on the EIN application, but I still file my poker income on Schedule C rather than as "Other Income" on Schedule 1? I've been told different things by different preparers.

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Dylan Cooper

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Exactly. You select "NO" for the gambling business question because you're not running a gambling operation/casino. And yes, as a professional poker player, you report your income on Schedule C rather than as "Other Income." This allows you to deduct your legitimate business expenses (tournament fees, travel to poker events, etc.) and establishes your self-employment status, which is necessary for a SEP-IRA. Casual gamblers use "Other Income," but professionals use Schedule C.

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One thing to keep in mind - make sure you're keeping VERY detailed records of your poker/sports betting activities if you're reporting them as business income and setting up a SEP-IRA. The IRS scrutinizes gambling income closely, especially when it's used to establish retirement accounts. Daily logs of play time, tournaments entered, buy-ins, cash-outs, locations, witnesses, etc. - document everything. I learned this the hard way when I got audited in 2023 for my 2022 returns.

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Do you have a particular system or app you recommend for tracking all this? I'm currently just using a messy spreadsheet but it's becoming unwieldy as my volume increases.

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I use a combination of a dedicated poker tracking app (PokerTracker for online play) and a custom spreadsheet for live games. For sports betting, I use Action Network to track all my bets. The key is consistency and detail. Each day I record: date, location, game type, buy-in amount, cash-out amount, hours played, and any relevant notes. For tournaments, I track the specific tournament name/ID, buy-in, re-buys, and final position/payout. I also keep all physical receipts from casinos and screenshots of online cashouts. This level of documentation saved me during my audit.

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Just want to add another perspective here - I went through this exact same situation last year when setting up my SEP-IRA with poker tournament winnings. The confusion around that gambling business question is totally understandable because the wording is misleading. What helped me was thinking about it this way: the IRS is trying to identify businesses that are in the gambling INDUSTRY (casinos, bookmakers, lottery operators) versus people who gamble professionally. You're a customer of gambling establishments, not operating one yourself. I selected "NO" on that question and had zero issues with my EIN approval or SEP-IRA setup. My CPA confirmed this was correct - the distinction is crucial for tax purposes but won't affect your ability to report poker/betting income as self-employment income on Schedule C. Just make sure you have solid documentation of your gambling activities as others have mentioned. The combination of professional gambling income + retirement account contributions does tend to get extra scrutiny, so having your records organized is essential.

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This is really helpful context! I'm in almost the exact same boat - trying to get my SEP-IRA set up with poker income before the deadline. The "customer vs operator" distinction you made really clarifies things for me. Quick question - when you set up your SEP-IRA, did your broker ask for any additional documentation beyond just the EIN to verify your self-employment income from gambling? I'm worried they might give me pushback since it's not traditional business income.

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