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Skylar Neal

Need help with Line 7 of Form 8802 for tax residency certification - confused about which year to use!

I'm totally lost on the Form 8802 for US tax residency certification and hoping someone can clear this up for me. My new overseas employer is requesting tax residency certification when I start in March, and I've been staring at the instructions for hours trying to figure out which tax year to put on Line 7! The form asks for "tax period(s) for which certification is requested" and I can't tell if I should be requesting for 2023 (the most recent completed tax year) or 2024 (the current year). The instructions are so confusing - I've read the same paragraph like 20 times and I'm still not sure if I understand it right. 😩 Does the certification need to show the year when I'll be working (2024) or is it based on my most recently filed taxes (2023)? I feel like I'm missing something super obvious. I filled one out last year but didn't save a copy, so now I'm second-guessing myself! If anyone has gone through this process or understands Form 8802 better than I do (which isn't hard lol), please help me out! Dealing with international tax stuff is making my brain hurt.

The Form 8802 is used to request a "Certificate of U.S. Residency" (Form 6166) which proves your status as a U.S. resident for tax purposes. For Line 7, you need to request certification for the tax year that will be relevant to your employer and the tax treaty benefits you're trying to claim. Since you're starting a new job in March 2025, you would typically request certification for 2024 (the most recently completed tax year by that point). However, some countries or employers might want to see certification for the current year (2025). If you're unsure which your employer needs, it's best to ask them directly which tax year they require for the certification. Keep in mind that the IRS can only certify years for which you've already filed a return OR current/future years if they can verify your status based on previous filings. So if requesting 2025 certification, the IRS will look at your 2023/2024 filing history to confirm your status.

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Skylar Neal

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Thank you so much for explaining this! So if I understand correctly, I can actually request certification for 2025 even though I haven't filed 2025 taxes yet? And they'd just use my previous tax returns as proof of my residency status? My employer didn't specify which year they need, they just said "tax residency certificate" in the list of required documents. I'll definitely email them to ask, but I'm worried about delays since the IRS processing time is already 6-8 weeks apparently.

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Yes, you can request certification for 2025 even though you haven't filed for that year yet. The IRS will use your previous filing history (likely 2023 and 2024) to verify your status as a U.S. resident for tax purposes. Since your employer didn't specify which year they need, I would recommend requesting certification for both 2024 and 2025 on your Form 8802. You can request multiple years on a single form, and the fee is the same regardless of how many years you request. This way, you'll be covered no matter which year they're looking for.

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Kelsey Chin

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Norah Quay

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Does taxr.ai actually help with completing the form or just gives advice? I'm about to start a job in Singapore and need to submit the 8802 next month. My concern is that I've heard the IRS rejects these applications for really minor errors.

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Leo McDonald

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Kelsey Chin

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Leo McDonald

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I just wanted to update that I tried taxr.ai for my Form 8802 application and it was seriously helpful! The document analysis correctly identified that I needed to request certification for both 2024 and 2025 in my situation, plus it flagged that I needed to check the box for "partnership" since I have foreign self-employment income alongside my W-2. The best part was the attachment checklist it generated - turns out I needed to include my Schedule C from last year which wasn't obvious from the IRS instructions. My application was approved without any issues and I got my Form 6166 certification back in about 5 weeks. Definitely recommend for anyone dealing with the residency certification process.

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Jessica Nolan

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Skylar Neal

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How does this actually work? I've tried calling the IRS international line for weeks with no luck. Does this really get you through to a human who can answer specific questions about Form 8802? I'm getting desperate since my paperwork deadline is coming up.

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This sounds too good to be true. I've literally called the IRS over 30 times in the past month trying to get help with my residency certification and never got through. There's no way a third-party service can magically skip the line when the IRS phone system is completely jammed.

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Jessica Nolan

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It works by using an automated system that continually redials and navigates the IRS phone tree until it secures a place in line with an actual agent. Once you're next in line, they call you and connect you directly to the IRS representative. It's not skipping the line - they're essentially waiting in it for you. Yes, I was connected to the International Taxpayer Service line and spoke with an agent who specifically handled residency certification questions. She explained that for my situation, I needed to list both the prior year and current year on Line 7 since I was using it for tax treaty benefits spanning both periods. They were very knowledgeable about Form 8802 requirements.

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I have to update my skeptical comment - I tried Claimyr out of desperation after my Form 8802 was rejected the first time, and it ACTUALLY WORKED. Got connected to an IRS international tax specialist in about 40 minutes (which is miraculous compared to my failed attempts). The agent explained that my application was rejected because I didn't include my most recent tax transcript as an attachment since I had amended my return last year. They also cleared up my Line 7 confusion - in my case, I needed to request certification for the tax year that aligned with my foreign country's tax year (which isn't the calendar year). This wasn't clear at all from the instructions. Resubmitted with the right information and got approved!

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I've completed Form 8802 several times while working in different countries. For Line 7, here's a practical tip: consider what your employer or the foreign tax authority will be using this certificate for. If it's for withholding relief in 2025, request 2025. If it's to support a tax return filing for 2024, request 2024. Also, note that if you request certification for 2025 now, the IRS will review your 2023 tax return (the most recently filed year) to determine your residency status. If you haven't filed your 2023 return or had special circumstances that year, it could affect your certification. The fees are the same regardless of how many tax periods you request, so I usually request multiple years to be safe.

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What about the penalty of perjury statement at the bottom? I'm nervous about requesting 2025 certification when I haven't filed those taxes yet. Is there any risk in requesting future years?

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There's no risk in requesting future year certification regarding the penalty of perjury statement. You're not claiming you've already filed for that future year - you're simply requesting certification based on your established U.S. tax residency status from previous filings. The statement pertains to the factual accuracy of the information you're providing on the form itself, not the tax years you're requesting. The IRS understands that treaty benefits often apply to current or future years, and they have procedures specifically for certifying those periods based on your filing history.

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KingKongZilla

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Quick tip from someone who screwed this up twice: don't forget that Line 7 is asking for the tax PERIOD, not just the year! If you're submitting this for a country that doesn't use the calendar year for their tax period, you need to be specific about the dates. For example, when I submitted mine for the UK (which uses April 6, 2024 - April 5, 2025 as their tax year), I had to put "04/06/2024 - 04/05/2025" rather than just "2024" or the IRS rejected it. The instructions don't make this clear at all!

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Do you need to use this specific date format for all countries or just ones with non-calendar tax years? I'm submitting for Germany which uses the regular calendar year.

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Nathan Dell

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Has anyone had experience with expediting the Form 8802 processing? I just realized I need to submit this for a new position but I only have about 4 weeks before I need the certificate. The IRS website says standard processing is 6-8 weeks which won't work for my timeline.

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Yes, you can request expedited processing for Form 8802, but the IRS has very specific criteria for when they'll approve it. You need to include a separate letter explaining your urgent need and provide evidence of an emergency, like documentation from your employer with a firm deadline. I'd recommend faxing your application rather than mailing it, as that typically results in faster processing even without formal expediting. Also, make sure your application is 100% complete and accurate because any errors will cause delays. If you've filed Form 8802 in previous years without any changes to your information, mention that in your cover letter as it can sometimes help speed things up.

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Yara Sabbagh

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I went through this exact same confusion last year! For Line 7, you typically want to request certification for the tax year that your employer or the foreign tax authority will need for their records. Since you're starting in March 2025, I'd recommend requesting certification for 2024 (most recently completed tax year) as that's what most employers expect. However, @Sebastián Stevens made a great point - you can actually request multiple years on the same form for the same fee. Given the 6-8 week processing time and your March start date, I'd suggest requesting both 2024 and 2025 to cover all your bases. The IRS will use your 2023 filing (and 2024 once filed) to verify your residency status even for future year certifications. One thing that helped me was calling my HR department to ask specifically which tax year they needed - turns out they just needed proof of US tax residency status and didn't care about the specific year. This might save you some overthinking!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation where I need to get this sorted out soon. The idea of requesting both years makes a lot of sense given the processing time. @Yara Sabbagh - when you called your HR department, did they give you any other guidance about the documentation they needed alongside the Form 6166 certificate? I m'wondering if there are other forms or translations required for international employment that I should be preparing while waiting for the IRS processing. Also, has anyone had experience with whether the IRS accepts electronic signatures on Form 8802, or does it need to be physically signed and mailed? I m'trying to figure out the fastest way to get this submitted.

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I've been through this process multiple times for different overseas positions, and I can share some practical insights that might help clear up the confusion! For Line 7, the key is understanding what your employer actually needs the certificate for. Most international employers requesting tax residency certification want to verify your US tax resident status for treaty benefits or withholding purposes. In your case, starting in March 2025, you'll likely want certification for 2024 (the most recently completed tax year when you start) or 2025 (the year you'll actually be working). Since the fee is the same regardless of how many years you request, I'd strongly recommend requesting both 2024 and 2025 on the same form. This gives you maximum flexibility and ensures you have the right documentation regardless of what your employer specifically needs. One important thing to note: the IRS can certify future years (like 2025) based on your previous filing history, so don't worry about not having filed 2025 taxes yet. They'll use your 2023 and 2024 returns to verify your ongoing US tax resident status. Given the 6-8 week processing time and your March start date, I'd submit your Form 8802 ASAP. Consider faxing it instead of mailing for potentially faster processing, and make sure every field is completed accurately since errors cause significant delays.

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice I wish I had when I was fumbling through this process! @Dallas Villalobos really covered all the key points that would have saved me hours of confusion. I want to emphasize the faxing suggestion - when I mailed my Form 8802 last year, it took the full 8 weeks, but I ve'heard from others that faxing can shave off 1-2 weeks from processing time. Given that you re'cutting it close with your March start date, every week matters. Also, definitely double-check that you re'using the most current version of Form 8802 from the IRS website. I made the mistake of using an outdated version I had saved on my computer and had to resubmit, which cost me weeks of processing time. The form gets updated periodically and the IRS is strict about accepting only current versions. One last tip: if your employer has an international HR team or tax department, they might have specific guidance on which tax years they typically need for their country s'requirements. Some countries have very specific preferences based on their own tax year cycles or treaty interpretations.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Based on everyone's helpful advice here, I'd recommend taking a two-pronged approach to get this resolved quickly and correctly. First, definitely request both 2024 and 2025 on Line 7 of your Form 8802 since the fee is the same for multiple years. This covers you regardless of what your employer specifically needs, and given the March start date, you want maximum flexibility. Second, while you're waiting for the IRS processing (which could take 6-8 weeks), reach out to your employer's HR or international tax team to ask specifically which tax year they need and if they have any other documentation requirements. Sometimes they just need proof of US tax residency status and don't care about the specific year. For submitting the form, definitely fax it rather than mail it - several people mentioned this can save 1-2 weeks of processing time. Make sure you're using the current version from the IRS website and that every field is completed accurately since errors cause major delays. The good news is that requesting 2025 certification isn't a problem even though you haven't filed those taxes yet - the IRS will use your 2023 and 2024 filing history to verify your US tax resident status. Just make sure to include any required attachments like tax transcripts if you've had amended returns or special circumstances. Given your tight timeline, I'd get this submitted ASAP and consider the expedited processing option if your employer can provide documentation of the firm deadline. Good luck! 🤞

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Aria Washington

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This is such a comprehensive summary - thank you @Carmen Ruiz! I really appreciate how everyone has broken this down step by step. One quick question for the group: when faxing Form 8802, do you need to include a cover sheet with specific information, or can you just fax the form directly? I want to make sure I don't miss any procedural requirements that could slow down processing. Also, has anyone had experience with the IRS calling for clarification during the review process? I'm wondering if I should make sure my contact information is extra clear in case they need to reach me about anything. The advice about requesting both years makes total sense - I'd rather have more documentation than I need rather than risk having to reapply later. Thanks everyone for turning what seemed like an impossible puzzle into a clear action plan!

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