Need help understanding reportable cash transactions for large installment payments
So I have this situation with a client who wants to pay down his account in cash - like literal paper money. He has a balance of around $135K and is proposing to make monthly cash payments of $9,500. I run a small business (custom furniture manufacturing) and have never had to deal with something like this before. What are the rules around reportable cash transactions in this scenario? Do I need to file something with FinCEN or the IRS? The customer seems really insistent on this payment method and the amount being just under $10K each time makes me a bit suspicious, but maybe I'm overthinking this. Any advice on reportable cash transactions for a private business would be super helpful!
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Asher Levin
This definitely raises some red flags. The $9,500 monthly cash payments are just under the $10,000 threshold that triggers automatic reporting requirements, which suggests potential "structuring" - deliberately breaking up transactions to avoid reporting. This is actually illegal. For businesses, you generally need to file Form 8300 with the IRS when you receive more than $10,000 in cash in a single transaction or in related transactions. "Related transactions" is key here - payments that total more than $10,000 in a 24-hour period, or payments that are installments as part of a single transaction. Even though each payment is under $10,000, since they're clearly related payments toward the same debt, you should report them. Failing to file these forms can result in significant penalties. I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in cash reporting requirements to ensure you're handling this correctly.
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Serene Snow
•This might be a dumb question, but what if the customer just genuinely doesn't like banks and prefers to pay in cash? Is that automatically suspicious? Is there some way for OP to handle this situation without creating problems for a potentially innocent customer?
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Asher Levin
•It's not automatically suspicious for someone to prefer cash, but the specific amount being just under the reporting threshold is what raises concerns. The reporting requirement isn't meant to create problems for innocent customers - it's just information reporting. If the customer has legitimate reasons for using cash, they shouldn't object to proper reporting. You can explain to the customer that you're required to file Form 8300 for related transactions that exceed $10,000, even if individual payments are lower. A customer with nothing to hide should understand your legal obligation.
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•Does taxr.ai handle ongoing customer relationships like this? My business regularly gets cash payments from the same clients and I'm never sure when they become "related transactions" for reporting purposes.
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Tyler Murphy
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if your customer is intentionally structuring payments to avoid reporting, you could be in legal trouble just for accepting the payments without filing reports. There's actually a concept called "willful blindness" that can get businesses in trouble if they knowingly help customers avoid reporting requirements.
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Haley Stokes
•This is exactly what I'm worried about. I don't want to accuse my customer of anything, but the $9,500 amount seems specifically chosen. How do I protect my business while still maintaining the customer relationship? Should I just tell them I have to file the forms regardless of the payment amount since it's a single debt?
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Tyler Murphy
•Yes, you should absolutely be transparent with your customer. Explain that since the payments are all related to a single debt, you're required to file Form 8300 regardless of the individual payment amounts. Make it clear this is a legal requirement for your business. If they're legitimate, they'll understand. If they suddenly change their mind about the payment plan or get upset, that's a huge red flag. Remember, filing Form 8300 is just information reporting - it doesn't mean your customer is doing anything wrong, but failing to file when required can result in serious penalties for YOUR business.
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Sara Unger
Has anyone actually filled out Form 8300? Is it complicated? I'm in a similar situation with a cash-heavy business and want to make sure I'm doing this right.
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Butch Sledgehammer
•I file them regularly for my jewelry business. It's not terrible - basic info about your business, the customer (name, SSN/tax ID, address), and transaction details. You can e-file through the BSA E-Filing System. The trickiest part is knowing WHEN you need to file, not actually completing the form.
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