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Is it legal to gift parents appreciated stock and receive cash gifts back?

I've been trying to figure out a way to unlock some value from my investments without triggering capital gains. Most of my liquid assets are currently tied up in heavily appreciated stock positions that have done really well. I was wondering - would it be kosher for me to gift my parents the maximum non-reportable gift amount in appreciated stock (I think that's $17,000 per person for 2025?) and then have them gift me back roughly the same fair market value in cash that they already have? Kind of a swap but using gift rules on both sides? I've been googling for a while but can't seem to find clear guidance on whether mixing gift rules like this would be kosher with the IRS or if it would get flagged as some kind of tax avoidance scheme. Has anyone tried something similar or know if there are specific rules against this type of arrangement? Thanks!

While I'm not a tax attorney, I can tell you this approach raises some red flags. The IRS looks at the substance of transactions, not just their form. What you're describing sounds like a step transaction - where separate steps are taken to achieve a result that would be taxable if done directly. If you were to sell the appreciated stock yourself, you'd owe capital gains tax. By gifting it to your parents who then gift you cash, it appears you're trying to achieve the same economic result (converting stock to cash) while avoiding the tax. The IRS could view this as a disguised sale rather than genuine gifts, especially if the timing is close and there's an understanding between you and your parents about the arrangement. The annual gift exclusion is indeed $17,000 per recipient for 2025, but gifts should be made with "detached and disinterested generosity" to truly qualify as gifts for tax purposes.

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But what if there's a decent time gap between the two transactions? Like if I gift them the stock now, and then they decide to gift me cash for my birthday six months later? Wouldn't that be harder for the IRS to connect?

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Adding time between transactions may make it less obvious, but it doesn't necessarily change the substance of what's occurring. If there's an understanding or agreement that your parents will gift you cash after receiving the stock, the IRS could still view this as a disguised sale. Courts look at factors like interdependence of transactions and whether there was a binding commitment or understanding. Genuine gifts should be made without expectations of receiving something in return. If your parents independently decide to give you a cash gift that's unrelated to your stock gift, that's different. But creating artificial delays to disguise the true nature of connected transactions won't necessarily protect you if the IRS decides to look closely at the arrangement.

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Did they offer any alternative suggestions for accessing value from appreciated stocks without triggering the full capital gains hit? I'm in a similar boat with some Amazon shares I got through an ESPP years ago.

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Why not just sell a small portion of your appreciated stock each year to stay in a lower tax bracket? My spouse and I do this to manage our capital gains. We're careful to only sell enough to stay in the 0% capital gains bracket (income under $89,250 for 2025 for married filing jointly). If you're in a higher bracket, you could still strategically sell some stock each year to spread out the tax hit instead of trying complicated gift arrangements that might attract attention.

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That's a good suggestion! My income is unfortunately too high to qualify for the 0% capital gains rate. I'm trying to avoid triggering a large taxable event all at once because I need a substantial amount for a down payment on a house. Was hoping to find a creative solution, but it sounds like the gift swap approach is more problematic than I realized.

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Even if you can't access the 0% rate, spreading out sales over two tax years can still be beneficial. For example, sell half in December 2025 and half in January 2026. This prevents stacking all the capital gains in one year which might push you into a higher bracket. Another option some people consider is charitable remainder trusts for very large appreciated positions, but that's usually only worth the setup costs if you're dealing with substantial amounts (typically $500K+) and have charitable intent. For a house down payment, you might just have to bite the bullet on some capital gains tax - it's still lower than ordinary income tax rates!

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Just wanted to add - this sounds a lot like what's called a "step transaction" in tax law. My brother tried something similar with some rental property and his kids a few years back. The IRS audited him and treated the whole thing as if he had just sold the property himself. The agent told him they look for "interdependent steps" where one wouldn't happen without the other. If your parents wouldn't be giving you cash without getting the stock first, that's a red flag. Better safe than sorry with tax stuff!

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Exactly! The step transaction doctrine collapses a series of steps into a single transaction if they're clearly related. I had a client who tried something similar with business assets and it didn't end well. The penalties and interest ended up costing more than if they'd just reported it properly in the first place.

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I'm a newcomer here but have been following this thread with interest since I'm in a similar situation with some appreciated NVIDIA shares. Based on all the responses, it seems pretty clear that the IRS would likely view your proposed arrangement as a disguised sale rather than legitimate gifts. What really stood out to me from the discussion is that even spacing out the transactions won't necessarily protect you if there's an understanding between you and your parents. The "substance over form" principle means they look at what you're actually trying to accomplish, not just the technical structure. Have you considered looking into tax-loss harvesting with other positions to offset some of the gains? Or maybe exploring whether you have any losses from previous years that could be carried forward? Sometimes the direct approach of just paying the capital gains tax ends up being simpler and less risky than trying to engineer around it. The long-term capital gains rates aren't as painful as regular income tax rates, especially if you can time the sale strategically.

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Welcome to the community! You make excellent points about the substance over form doctrine. I'm also dealing with appreciated tech stocks and have been researching alternatives. One thing I've learned is that if you're looking at a house purchase, you might want to consider the timing carefully - if you're in a state with no capital gains tax, that could help offset some of the federal burden. Also, depending on your timeline, you could potentially sell portions over multiple tax years to avoid bracket creep. The tax-loss harvesting suggestion is solid too - even small losses can help offset gains. Sometimes the "boring" approach of just paying the tax is the safest path forward, especially when the alternative could trigger penalties and interest that exceed the original tax liability.

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As someone new to this community, I've been reading through this discussion with great interest since I'm dealing with a similar situation involving some appreciated mutual fund positions. The consensus here seems pretty clear that what you're proposing would likely be viewed as a step transaction by the IRS. What I found most helpful from this thread is understanding that the IRS focuses on the economic substance rather than the technical form of transactions. Even if you structure it as separate "gifts," if there's an implicit understanding that one is contingent on the other, you're essentially trying to convert appreciated assets to cash without paying capital gains - which is exactly what would happen if you just sold the stock directly. I've been researching alternatives for my own situation, and a few options that might be worth exploring: 1) Securities-based lending where you borrow against your appreciated positions (though this has margin call risks), 2) Charitable remainder trusts if the amounts are substantial enough and you have charitable intent, or 3) Simply accepting that capital gains tax is the cost of accessing your gains and planning the timing strategically. The peace of mind of staying clearly within tax law boundaries is probably worth more than the potential tax savings from a questionable arrangement. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been really educational!

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Great analysis, Faith! As another newcomer here, I really appreciate how you've synthesized all the key points from this discussion. The securities-based lending option you mentioned is particularly interesting - I hadn't considered that approach. Do you happen to know what the typical interest rates and loan-to-value ratios are for borrowing against appreciated stock positions? It seems like that could potentially give you access to liquidity without triggering the capital gains event, though as you noted, there are margin call risks to consider. I'm wondering if the cost of borrowing might still be less than the tax hit from selling, especially for shorter-term needs like a house down payment where you might be able to pay back the loan relatively quickly. The charitable remainder trust option sounds intriguing too, but probably only makes sense for much larger amounts than most of us are dealing with. Thanks for bringing up these alternatives - sometimes the best solution isn't trying to work around the tax rules but finding legitimate strategies that work within them!

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Hi everyone! New member here, and this thread has been incredibly enlightening. I'm facing a similar situation with some Apple stock I've held for years that's appreciated significantly. After reading through all the responses, it's clear that trying to structure reciprocal gifts with family members to avoid capital gains would likely run afoul of the step transaction doctrine. The IRS really does look at the substance of what you're trying to accomplish rather than just the technical form. I wanted to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - depending on your state's tax laws, the timing and location of the sale might matter. Some states have no capital gains tax at all, so if you're planning to move or have dual residency options, that could be worth factoring into your decision. Also, for those considering the securities-based lending route that Faith mentioned, I've looked into this with my broker and found that most major firms offer portfolio lending at rates that are often lower than mortgage rates. The loan-to-value ratios are typically 50-70% depending on the volatility of your holdings. It's definitely worth exploring as a legitimate alternative to trying to engineer around the tax code. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and insights - this community is a great resource for navigating these complex situations!

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Welcome to the community, Paolo! Your point about state tax implications is really valuable - I hadn't considered how residency changes could factor into the timing decision. The securities-based lending rates you mentioned (often lower than mortgage rates) make that option even more attractive for someone like the original poster who needs funds for a house down payment. One thing I'm curious about with portfolio lending - do the interest payments on such loans have any tax advantages, or are they treated as investment interest subject to limitations? It seems like if you're borrowing against appreciated positions to avoid a taxable sale, the loan interest treatment becomes an important part of the overall tax calculation. The 50-70% loan-to-value ratios you mentioned seem reasonable for diversified holdings, though I imagine single-stock positions (like the OP's situation) might get lower ratios due to concentration risk. Still, even at 50% LTV, that could provide substantial liquidity without triggering any immediate tax consequences. Thanks for adding the state tax angle - it's a good reminder that tax planning often involves multiple layers of considerations beyond just federal rules!

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