I shorted a 941 payroll tax deposit - how badly did I mess up with the IRS?
I'm freaking out a bit here. Our accounting firm just called to let me know that I somehow shorted a 941 payroll tax deposit back on April 15th. Apparently I used the wrong date range in the report when calculating the deposit amount. I've already scheduled a makeup deposit for July 3rd (earliest I can do it) to get us caught up for the second quarter. From what I'm reading online, it looks like the penalty is 15% for deposits that are more than 15 days late. Can anyone confirm if that's right? I've never screwed up like this before in the three years I've been handling our payroll taxes. I need to figure out approximately how much this penalty is going to be so I can give my boss a heads up before he sees it on the statement. Our company isn't huge but we're not tiny either, so even a small percentage hurts. Any guidance from someone who's been through this would be super helpful!
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Fatima Al-Maktoum
You're correct about the penalty structure, but there's a bit more to it. The IRS penalty for late 941 deposits follows a tiered structure: - 2% if 1-5 days late - 5% if 6-15 days late - 10% if more than 15 days late, but paid before the IRS sends a notice - 15% if paid after receiving an IRS notice Since you're making the deposit on July 3rd for an April 15th deadline, you're definitely in the 10% range if you haven't received a notice yet. If you've already received an IRS notice about this, then yes, it would be 15%. The good news is that if you have a clean compliance history (which it sounds like you do), you might qualify for penalty abatement under the IRS First-Time Penalty Abatement policy. This is basically a one-time get-out-of-jail-free card for taxpayers with good compliance history.
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Giovanni Rossi
•Thank you for clarifying the penalty tiers! We definitely haven't received any notices yet, so hopefully we're still in the 10% range. That's still painful but better than 15%. How do I go about requesting this First-Time Penalty Abatement? Do I need to wait until the penalty is actually assessed, or should I be proactive and contact the IRS before they even send a notice?
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Fatima Al-Maktoum
•You'll need to wait until the penalty is actually assessed before requesting abatement. Once you receive a notice with the penalty, you can call the IRS at the number on the notice or send a penalty abatement letter. The call is usually faster if you're comfortable explaining your situation clearly. When you contact them, simply explain that you've had a clean compliance history, this was an inadvertent error, and you'd like to request first-time penalty abatement. Have your business EIN, the tax period, and penalty amount ready. They'll check your eligibility right on the call in most cases. Be polite and straightforward - most IRS agents are quite reasonable when you have a good compliance history.
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Dylan Mitchell
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Sofia Gutierrez
•Does it actually help with business payroll tax issues? I thought most of these tax tools were mainly for personal returns. How much of the information did you need to input for it to give you useful guidance?
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Dmitry Petrov
•I'm a bit skeptical about these services. How do you know they're providing accurate information? Did they just give you a template letter or did they actually have specific knowledge about 941 deposit requirements and penalties?
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Dylan Mitchell
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Dmitry Petrov
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StarSurfer
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Ava Martinez
•Wait, how does this actually work? Does it somehow let you skip the IRS phone queue? That sounds too good to be true. The last time I called the IRS I was on hold for almost 3 hours before I had to hang up.
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Miguel Castro
•Sorry but this seems like a scam. There's no way to "skip the line" with the IRS. Everyone has to wait on hold like everyone else. I've been doing business taxes for 12 years and there's no secret backdoor to the IRS phone system.
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StarSurfer
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Miguel Castro
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Zainab Abdulrahman
Have you checked whether you qualify for the Safe Harbor provision? If the shortfall is less than $100,000, and your error was unintentional, you may have some protection. Also, keep in mind that if you deposit the shortage prior to receiving any IRS notices, you're demonstrating good faith compliance which can help your case. I'd recommend documenting exactly how the error occurred - save the report that had the incorrect date range, write up a brief explanation, and keep copies of everything. This will be valuable if you need to request penalty abatement. Make sure your boss knows it's a possibility you might face a penalty, but also that there are reasonable grounds for getting it waived.
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Giovanni Rossi
•Thanks for bringing up the Safe Harbor provision - I wasn't aware of that. Our shortfall is definitely under $100k (it's around $8,500). The error was completely unintentional - just a mistake in the date range on the report I generated. Good call on documenting everything. I still have the original report with the wrong date range, and I've already written up a detailed explanation of what happened. Do you think I should also document the corrective actions I've taken to prevent this from happening again? I've created a new checklist for our deposit process with extra verification steps.
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Zainab Abdulrahman
•Documenting your corrective actions is absolutely a good idea. The IRS looks favorably on taxpayers who not only fix their mistakes but also implement processes to prevent them from recurring. Include your new checklist and verification steps in your documentation. With the amount being relatively small and your clean history, you have a strong case for abatement. When you make your catch-up deposit, include a memo or notation that clearly indicates it's to correct a prior shortage from the specific pay period. This helps ensure it gets applied correctly in the IRS systems and creates another piece of evidence showing your good faith efforts to comply.
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Connor Byrne
Don't forget to look into your state's requirements too! Depending on your state, there might be separate penalties for state payroll tax deposit shortages. Some states automatically mirror federal penalties while others have their own structures. Make sure you're addressing both sides of this issue.
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Yara Elias
•Great point about the state requirements. I made this mistake a couple years ago and completely forgot about the state side until we got a separate notice from our state tax department. Some states are actually stricter than the IRS about these things!
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Anastasia Popov
This is a really stressful situation, but you're handling it the right way by being proactive about the makeup deposit. I went through something similar about 18 months ago when I miscalculated a 941 deposit due to a software glitch. One thing that really helped me was keeping detailed records of all communications and actions taken. Beyond what others have mentioned, I'd suggest also documenting the exact time you discovered the error and when you scheduled the corrective deposit. This timeline can be valuable if you need to demonstrate that you acted quickly once you became aware of the issue. Also, when you do get the penalty notice, don't panic if the amount seems higher than expected initially. Sometimes the IRS system generates automated penalties that don't account for partial payments or other factors, and these can often be corrected through a simple phone call. Your clean compliance history really is your best asset here - the IRS tends to work with businesses that have demonstrated good faith efforts to comply. Keep us posted on how it works out! This community has been really helpful for navigating these kinds of situations.
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