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Effie Alexander

How to properly execute 1256 contract loss carry back from 2018 to 2017 tax year?

So I'm in a bit of a situation with my taxes. I had some pretty significant losses from 1256 contracts (specifically SPX index options) back in 2018. Since I understood these losses could be carried back, I filed an amended return for my 2017 taxes to take advantage of the 1256 contract loss carry back provision. I finally heard back from the IRS this week after waiting what felt like forever, and they basically rejected my claim. Their letter states they couldn't process my claim because apparently something was wrong with how I filed or documented the carry back. Now I'm confused about what I did wrong and how to fix it. Has anyone successfully done a 1256 contract loss carry back before? What documentation is needed? Did I miss some specific form or procedure? I'm trying to figure out my next steps since this was a substantial loss that I was counting on carrying back.

Melissa Lin

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The 1256 contract loss carry back can be tricky to execute correctly. Based on your description, there are a few common reasons the IRS might have rejected your claim: First, make sure you used Form 1040X for the amended return AND included a completed Form 6781 (Gains and Losses from Section 1256 Contracts and Straddles) for both the loss year (2018) and the carryback year (2017). Many people miss including both years' forms. Second, check that you elected the carryback by checking the appropriate box in Part I of Form 6781 and specifically indicated the amount being carried back. Third, verify you're within the 3-year time limit for filing the amended return. For a 2017 tax year amendment, you generally needed to file by April 15, 2021 (or October 15, 2021 if you had extensions). Fourth, ensure your net 1256 losses actually exceed your non-1256 gains for 2018 - only the excess is eligible for carryback. The IRS letter should provide specific reasons for the rejection. If it doesn't, you may want to call them for clarification.

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Did OP also need to include Form 1045? I thought that was required for carrying back losses, or is that only for NOLs and not 1256 contract losses?

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Melissa Lin

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Form 1045 is specifically for Net Operating Losses (NOLs) and certain business credits, but it's not required for 1256 contract losses. The 1256 carryback is handled directly through Form 6781 and Form 1040X. The distinction is important because 1256 contract losses and NOLs are treated differently. With 1256 contracts, you're dealing with capital losses from regulated futures contracts, foreign currency contracts, and similar investments that receive special tax treatment (60% long-term/40% short-term split regardless of holding period).

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Romeo Quest

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Val Rossi

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How does that service actually work? Do you just upload your tax documents and it spots errors? I'm dealing with some complicated options trading losses myself and wondering if it could help me out.

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Eve Freeman

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Sounds interesting but I'm kinda skeptical. Does it actually understand the technical details of 1256 contracts and all the carryback rules? That's pretty specialized tax stuff.

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Romeo Quest

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Val Rossi

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Caden Turner

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Harmony Love

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I successfully did a 1256 contract loss carryback a couple years ago, and the key thing that worked for me was including a detailed statement explaining the calculation. I attached it right after Form 6781 in my amended return packet. In the statement, I clearly showed: 1) The total 1256 contract losses from the loss year 2) How much was being carried back 3) The detailed calculation showing how it affected my AGI and tax liability for the carryback year The IRS letter should give you some hint about what's missing. If they're vague, you might need to call them directly to clarify.

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Did you need to include the original Form 6781 from the loss year (2018 in my case) with the amended return for the carryback year (2017)? I'm wondering if that's what I missed.

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Harmony Love

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Yes, you definitely need to include the original Form 6781 from the loss year with your amended return. That was a key part of my successful filing. I included both the original 2018 Form 6781 showing the losses and the amended 2017 Form 6781 showing how those losses were being applied. Without the original loss year form, the IRS has no way to verify the source and eligibility of the losses you're trying to carry back.

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Rudy Cenizo

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act changed some rules that might affect your 1256 contract loss carryback. If your losses include any from after December 31, 2017, there could be transition rule complications. The TCJA didn't eliminate the 1256 contract loss carryback period, but some of the interaction with other tax provisions changed. Double check if your 2018 losses were from transactions before or after the cutoff date.

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Natalie Khan

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That's interesting - I thought the TCJA changes were mostly about NOLs, not 1256 contract carrybacks. Do you have a specific reference to what changed for 1256 contracts?

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Amina Sy

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I went through something very similar with my 1256 contract losses from futures trading in 2018. The IRS initially rejected my carryback attempt, and it turned out I had made two critical errors: First, I didn't properly complete Part IV of Form 6781 for the carryback year. You need to show the carryback amount in line 11 and make sure the math flows correctly through to Schedule D. Second, and this was the big one - I failed to include a clear election statement with my amended return. The IRS wants to see explicit language stating that you're electing to carry back the 1256 contract losses under Section 1212(c). I had to write something like "Taxpayer elects to carry back $[amount] of net capital losses from Section 1256 contracts from tax year 2018 to tax year 2017." After I resubmitted with these corrections plus all the supporting documentation everyone else mentioned (both years' Form 6781, detailed calculation statement, etc.), it went through without any issues. The whole process took about 8 months from start to finish, but I eventually got my refund. Check your rejection letter carefully - they usually give you at least a hint about what specific item they couldn't locate or verify in your filing.

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