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How to make additional payment for insufficient withholding on Required Minimum Distribution (RMD)

I'm handling my father's 401k and I think I messed up. When taking his Required Minimum Distribution (RMD) for this year, I only withheld the standard 10% for taxes. Looking at his overall tax situation, I'm now worried this isn't enough and he might face penalties for underwithholding on his 2025 taxes. I want to make an additional payment before year-end - probably another 12-15% of the RMD amount to be safe. The problem is I'm confused about how to actually submit this payment. I found where to make payments online, but when I look at the different payment types/reasons, nothing seems to fit what I'm trying to do. Could I just make an estimated tax payment? I'd rather avoid that if there's a more specific option for adding withholding to an RMD that's already been distributed. Any advice on the correct way to handle this would be appreciated!

Zoe Dimitriou

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This is actually a common issue with RMDs. When the 10% withholding isn't enough, you have a few options to avoid penalties. The simplest approach is to make an estimated tax payment through the IRS Direct Pay system. Select "Estimated Tax" as the reason for payment and the appropriate tax year. This isn't technically adding withholding to the RMD that's already been distributed - it's a separate estimated tax payment - but it serves the same purpose of getting money to the IRS before tax filing. Another option is to see if your father has any other income sources with withholding that could be adjusted. For example, if he receives Social Security or a pension with withholding, you might be able to increase the withholding on those payments for the remainder of the year. Also worth noting - the IRS has a safe harbor provision. If your father's withholding for 2025 equals at least 90% of the tax shown on his 2025 return OR 100% of the tax shown on his 2024 return (110% if his AGI was over $150,000), he won't face an underpayment penalty.

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QuantumQuest

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Thanks for this info - very helpful. Question though: if I make this estimated tax payment, does it matter which quarter I select? We're in Q4 now, but the RMD was actually taken in Q2. Would selecting Q2 help avoid penalties or should I just select Q4 since that's when I'm making the payment?

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Zoe Dimitriou

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For estimated tax payments, you generally want to select the quarter when you're actually making the payment, so Q4 in this case. The IRS does look at when payments were made throughout the year when calculating any potential underpayment penalties. If the RMD was taken in Q2, ideally the additional tax payment would have been made then. However, making a Q4 payment is still better than waiting until tax filing time next year. The IRS calculates underpayment penalties by quarter, so you'll only potentially face penalties for the quarters where you were underpaid.

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I went through this exact issue with my mother's RMD last year. After spending hours on hold with the IRS and getting nowhere, I discovered taxr.ai at https://taxr.ai and uploaded her distribution statements. Their system immediately identified that we needed to make a Q4 estimated payment to avoid penalties. The tool explained that for RMDs, you can't retroactively increase withholding after the distribution has occurred - you have to make an estimated tax payment instead. It walked me through exactly which form to use and how to categorize the payment. What would have taken me days to figure out was solved in about 15 minutes.

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Mei Zhang

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That sounds useful but also kind of sketchy. How does it work with uploading financial documents? Is it secure? My mom's super paranoid about identity theft since her neighbor got scammed.

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Liam McGuire

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I'm curious - did you have to calculate how much extra to pay or did the tool do that for you? My dad's tax situation is complicated with rental income and capital gains, so I'm trying to figure out if I'd need to do a bunch of math first.

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The security is actually really good - they use encryption similar to what banks use, and they don't store your documents permanently. Once the analysis is complete, you can delete everything from their system. As for the calculations, it actually does the math for you. I entered my mother's expected annual income from different sources (including the RMD, Social Security, and some dividend income), and it calculated both the total tax liability and how much additional payment was needed to avoid penalties. It even factored in her standard deduction and age-based adjustments.

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Liam McGuire

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I wanted to follow up on my experience with taxr.ai after trying it for my dad's RMD situation. It was surprisingly straightforward - I uploaded his 1099-R from the first distribution and entered his projected annual income. The system highlighted that we needed to make a Q4 estimated payment of about 15% of his RMD amount to avoid penalties. What I found most helpful was that it explained how the safe harbor rules applied specifically to his situation. Based on his 2024 tax liability, it calculated exactly how much total tax we needed to cover for 2025 to avoid underpayment penalties. The system generated payment vouchers we could use and tracked everything for his 2025 return. Way easier than my previous method of guessing and hoping!

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Amara Eze

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Dealing with the same issue for my aunt's RMD. I tried calling the IRS multiple times for guidance but kept getting the "due to high call volume" message and disconnected. After my fifth attempt, I remembered seeing someone mention Claimyr here on Reddit. I went to https://claimyr.com and watched their demo at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. Basically, they hold your place in the IRS phone queue and call you when an agent is about to answer. I was skeptical but desperate, so I tried it. Got a call back in about 45 minutes and was connected to an actual IRS agent who confirmed I should make a Q4 estimated payment. She explained that once an RMD is distributed, you can't increase the withholding retroactively, but making an estimated payment achieves the same goal of avoiding underpayment penalties. She also walked me through exactly which form to use and what to put in each field.

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Wait, how is this even possible? How do they hold your place in line? Sounds like some black magic phone hacking or something.

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NeonNomad

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I'm not buying it. The IRS disconnects people because their systems are overloaded. How would some third party service magically get around that? And why would they do this? What's the catch?

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Amara Eze

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They use an automated system that basically waits on hold for you. It's not hacking - they're just using technology to stay in the queue while you go about your day. When their system detects a human has picked up, it calls you and connects you to that agent. It's basically like having someone else sit on hold for you. There is a fee for the service, but considering I wasted nearly 3 hours trying to get through myself, it was worth it to me. The alternative was making decisions about tax payments without proper guidance, which seemed riskier. The whole point is that they wait in the ridiculously long hold queues so you don't have to.

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NeonNomad

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I need to eat my words about Claimyr. After commenting here, my frustration with the IRS phone system hit a breaking point. I'd spent literally 6 hours over 3 days trying to get answers about my mom's RMD withholding issue. Decided to try Claimyr as a last resort. Within 50 minutes, I got a call connecting me to an IRS representative who actually knew what they were talking about. They confirmed I needed to make an estimated tax payment (Form 1040-ES) and explained that the underpayment penalty would only apply to quarters where I was underpaid. The agent even gave me her ID number and told me to reference our conversation if there were questions later. For anyone struggling with RMD withholding questions - getting definitive answers from the IRS directly saved me from making an expensive mistake. I was absolutely wrong in my skepticism.

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One option nobody mentioned yet - if your mom has multiple retirement accounts, you could take any remaining RMDs from a different account and request a higher withholding percentage on those distributions to make up for the underwithholding on the earlier one. For example, if she has both an IRA and a 401k, and you've only taken the RMD from the 401k, you could take the IRA RMD with 25-30% withholding to balance things out. This only works if she hasn't taken all required distributions for the year yet.

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Does this actually work though? I thought RMDs from different account types can't be combined - like 401k RMDs have to come from 401k accounts and IRA RMDs have to come from IRAs?

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You're right that different account types have separate RMD requirements - you can't satisfy a 401k RMD by taking a distribution from an IRA or vice versa. What I meant was if there are still remaining RMDs to be taken from any account, you can increase the withholding on those to help make up for underwithholding on previous distributions. For example, if your parent has multiple IRAs and has only taken distributions from some of them, you could take the remaining required amount from another IRA with higher withholding. But you're correct that you can't mix account types for RMD purposes.

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I'm a little confused by some of the advice here. When I had this exact problem (underwithholding on an RMD), I just filed a Form W-4V to increase withholding on my Social Security payments for the remainder of the year. Worked perfectly to make up the difference and avoid any penalties.

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Dmitry Volkov

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That's actually really smart! I hadn't thought about adjusting withholding on Social Security. Do you remember how long it took for the change to take effect after filing the W-4V?

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