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How to Calculate Taxes for ESPP with No Lookback Provision - Double Check My Math?

I've been buying company stock through our ESPP program every offering period and selling once they reach qualifying disposition status (then moving the money to index funds for better diversification). I'm creating a spreadsheet to help with my tax filing and wanted someone to verify my calculations. My company offers a 15% discount but has no lookback provision. This means the discount applies only to the purchase date price, not the lower of grant date or purchase date price. For simplicity, let's say I'm working with one share: FMV on Offering Date: $180 FMV on Purchase Date: $200 Purchase Price: $200 × 0.85 = $170 Sale Price: $250 (after fees) Here's my understanding of the tax treatment: 1. For ESPP ordinary income, it's the lesser of the discount offered on the offering date OR the gain between purchase price and final sales price. So ordinary income should be the lesser of ($180 × 0.15) and ($250 - $170), which is lesser of $27 and $80. If this calculation is negative, ordinary income would be $0. 2. If the calculated ordinary income is $27, the long-term capital gain would be $250 - $27 = $223. For Form 8949, I believe I need to report: (d) Sales Proceeds: $250 (e) Cost Basis: $200 (what my brokerage reports) (g) Adjustment: -$27 (negative of ordinary income) (h) Gain/Loss: $223 (should match long-term capital gain) The $27 ordinary income gets added to my W-2 income on Box 1a of my return. Is this calculation correct? Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything before I file.

You're almost there, but there's a slight misunderstanding in your calculation. With ESPPs that have no lookback provision, the ordinary income portion is actually calculated as the discount on the purchase date, not the offering date. For qualifying dispositions (which you mentioned you're holding until), the ordinary income is the lesser of: 1. The actual discount you received at purchase ($200 × 0.15 = $30) 2. The difference between sale price and purchase price ($250 - $170 = $80) So your ordinary income would be $30, not $27. The remaining gain ($250 - $170 - $30 = $50) would be your long-term capital gain. For Form 8949, your entries would be: (d) Sales Proceeds: $250 (e) Cost Basis: $200 (as reported by broker) (g) Adjustment: -$30 (negative of ordinary income) (h) Gain/Loss: $50 (long-term capital gain portion) That $30 of ordinary income should be included with your other income on your tax return (not reported on your W-2, but added separately).

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Thanks for the clarification! So I've been using the wrong FMV price for calculating the discount. It should be based on the purchase date price ($200), not the offering date price ($180). But I'm a bit confused about the capital gain calculation. If my ordinary income is $30 and I sold for $250, wouldn't my capital gain be $250 - $200 = $50? Or is there another step I'm missing?

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You're correct about using the purchase date price for calculating the discount with no lookback provision. For the capital gain calculation, there are two ways to look at it, but they end up with the same result. Let me explain: You bought at $170, sold at $250, for a total gain of $80. Of that gain, $30 is ordinary income (the discount you received), leaving $50 as long-term capital gain. Alternatively, you can think of your adjusted basis as $200 (what the broker reports) and then you sold at $250, giving you a $50 capital gain. The $30 discount is handled separately as ordinary income. Both approaches give you the same final tax situation - $30 as ordinary income and $50 as long-term capital gain.

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Does it handle disqualifying dispositions too? I sold some of my ESPP shares early last year (before holding for the required period) and now I'm completely lost on how to report them. My broker's 1099 doesn't seem to account for the discount properly.

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I'm skeptical about tax tools that claim to handle specialized situations like ESPPs. Does it actually create the correct adjustments for Form 8949? My broker (Fidelity) sometimes gets the basis wrong and I've had to manually fix it. Would this actually help with that specific issue?

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Yes, it handles disqualifying dispositions as well! It asks you for the purchase date, sale date, and other details to determine if your sale was qualifying or disqualifying, then calculates everything accordingly. When I had a mix of both types of sales, it separated them and showed me different treatment for each. It absolutely creates the correct adjustments for Form 8949. That was actually my main problem - Fidelity was reporting my basis one way, but I needed to make those adjustments for the ESPP discount. The tool shows you exactly what to put in column (g) and even generates a statement explaining the adjustment that you can attach to your return. It saved me from a potential audit for sure.

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One thing to keep in mind with ESPPs that's often overlooked - if your company doesn't file the correct information with your W-2, you need to make sure you're properly reporting that ordinary income portion yourself. I got audited two years ago because my company didn't include the ESPP discount as compensation on my W-2, and I didn't add it separately to my income. The IRS computer systems matched my stock sale with the 1099-B from my broker and flagged the discrepancy. Make sure you either see that discount amount on your W-2 or add it manually as other income. And definitely keep detailed records of all your calculations!

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This is really helpful, thanks! My company definitely doesn't report the ESPP discount on my W-2. Where exactly do I report this additional ordinary income on my tax return? Is it considered "other income" on Schedule 1, or does it go somewhere else?

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For tax year 2024 (filing in 2025), you would report it as "Other income" on Schedule 1, Line 8z, with a description like "ESPP ordinary income." Then the total from Schedule 1 gets transferred to your Form 1040. Make sure you keep a detailed spreadsheet of all your calculations for each ESPP lot sold, showing how you determined the ordinary income portion. This will be crucial if you ever get questioned by the IRS. I learned this the hard way and now I keep meticulous records of every stock transaction.

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Another common mistake I see with ESPP calculations is forgetting about commission fees. When calculating your total gain/loss, don't forget to factor in any fees you paid when selling the shares. For example, if you sold at $250 but paid a $5 commission, your actual proceeds would be $245. This affects both your ordinary income calculation (since it's based partly on actual proceeds) and your capital gain calculation.

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This is partly correct but needs clarification. Commission fees paid when SELLING shares reduce your sales proceeds (as you mentioned), but commission fees paid when BUYING the shares increase your cost basis. Many ESPP programs don't charge commissions for purchase, but if yours does, don't forget to add that to your basis.

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Great discussion here! I wanted to add a few points that might help others dealing with ESPP calculations: 1. **Record keeping is crucial** - Create a detailed spreadsheet for each purchase lot that includes offering date, purchase date, FMV on both dates, purchase price, sale date, sale price, and all fees. This will save you hours during tax season. 2. **Watch out for same-day sales** - If you sell ESPP shares on the same day you purchase them, the tax treatment can be different. The entire discount may be treated as ordinary income rather than going through the qualifying/disqualifying disposition analysis. 3. **State tax considerations** - Don't forget that your state may have different rules for ESPP taxation. Some states don't recognize the federal preferential treatment for qualifying dispositions. 4. **Multiple brokers** - If your company switched brokers during the year, make sure you're getting all the necessary 1099-B forms. I've seen people miss reporting sales because they forgot about shares held at a previous broker. The original calculation looks mostly correct once you use the purchase date FMV for the discount calculation as Jean Claude pointed out. Just double-check that you're accounting for all fees and that your company isn't already reporting any of this on your W-2.

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This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about same-day sales! I didn't realize that could change the tax treatment completely. Quick question about record keeping - do you recommend using any specific software or template for tracking all these details? I've been using a basic Excel spreadsheet but I'm wondering if there's a better way to organize everything, especially when you have multiple purchase lots throughout the year. Also, regarding state taxes - is there an easy way to find out if your state follows federal ESPP rules or has its own requirements? I'm in California and want to make sure I'm not missing anything on the state return.

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