Help with C Corporation Capital Loss Carryback Rules - Dealing with USC 1212 Penalties and Interest

You're definitely on the right track looking into the capital loss carryback provisions. For C corporations, under USC 1212, you generally have 3 years from the original due date of the return to file an amended return claiming the carryback. Since your 2021 return would have been originally due in April 2022 (assuming calendar year), you would have until April 2025 to file the amended return. Regarding penalties and interest - this gets tricky. The IRS will recalculate penalties and interest based on the reduced tax liability after applying the carryback. However, since you didn't pay the original tax when due, you'll still owe some penalties and interest for the period between the original due date and when you file the amended return. But the good news is that the base amount these are calculated on should be lower once the carryback is applied.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet is that you should consider the state tax implications of your federal amended return. When we did a capital loss carryback for our C corp, we had to file amended state returns in multiple states where we do business. Some states conform to the federal carryback provisions while others don't - we actually had one state that required us to carry the loss forward instead of back. It created a real accounting headache. Make sure your tax software or accountant is addressing both federal and state implications!

Has anyone had success getting the failure-to-pay penalties abated when filing an amended return for a capital loss carryback? We're in a similar situation but our CFO is saying it's not worth pursuing because the penalties will still apply even if the tax is reduced.

I went through almost the exact same situation with our C corp last year. A few key points from my experience: 1. The 3-year deadline Noah mentioned is correct, but don't wait until the last minute. The IRS processing time for corporate amendments can be 6+ months. 2. Regarding penalties and interest - they will be recalculated from the original due date based on your reduced liability after the carryback. However, you'll still owe some penalties for the period you didn't pay, just on a smaller base amount. 3. One thing that helped us significantly was filing Form 1139 (Application for Tentative Refund) along with the 1120X. This can speed up getting at least a partial refund while they process the full amendment. 4. Document everything about your cash flow issues and the market conditions that caused both the original payment problem and the subsequent losses. This can help with penalty abatement requests. The whole process took about 8 months for us, but we recovered about 65% of our tax liability plus got partial penalty relief. Definitely worth pursuing given your timeline - you still have nearly a year before the deadline.